Milarepa wrote:
Ahh, hehe. Show me a Reiki practitioner of any style whom can't be traced to initiation into symbols (either themselves, or in lineage).

Like i'm saying, the symbols are active, even when we don't consciosuly use them. The symbols are always in play. Let's think about it, why on earth did Usui sensei empwer symbols, and pass them on in initiation? Cause they represented his expereince on Kurama Yama. As the spiritual initiation is passed down via lineage, the vehicle it is passed down in, is via the symbols. If however, one creates a system not using the symbols in initiaiton, then it can stil be passed on, as the founder has the ability, but, it is weeakend. this is why regular Reiju is required.

So would that mean that even though the Reiki Teacher has not actually intentionally placed or visualised any Reiki symbols whilst attuning his/her Reiki 1 student, the symbols (or properties of them) would still be passed on to the student, explaining why Reiki 1 students can do distant healing if they try?

By the same logic, wouldn't that also mean that a Reiki 1 student would also have received the ability to pass an attunement, if they knew the procedure and tried?

Here also..

SOME THOUGHTS ON INITIATION...
Copyright © 2006 James Deacon
[Modified: Dec. 14. 2006]



<snipped for brevity>



IMO, modifying the initiations results in the student being 'fine-tuned' to a slightly different set of frequencies (some might say, a less 'pure' or less 'effective', perhaps even less-than-therapeutic, set of frequencies).

All that talk of passing impure energy down the lineage if styles are mixed is starting to sound like the only people who will have received pure Usui Reiki are those directly attuned by Mikao Usui or who have received un-modified attunements from people who have never received any attunements for any other style of Reiki. I think this probably means no one alive today (apart from maybe the odd Japanese nun who apparently was not taught any symbols) is capable of passing on completely pure Usui Reiki, as even Dr Hayashi and Mrs Takata are said to have modified the initiation process (and/or symbols) they used a some point(s) in their long careers.

This striving for a pure lineage also sounds rather like the search for a pure-bred Reiki master race who are the only ones who have pure Usui Reiki!

It is a good theory as to why some people feel different styles of Reiki feel different though!

Ai to Hikari
Colin

Colin wrote:

So would that mean that even though the Reiki Teacher has not actually intentionally placed or visualised any Reiki symbols whilst attuning his/her Reiki 1 student, the symbols (or properties of them) would still be passed on to the student, explaining why Reiki 1 students can do distant healing if they try?

absent healing can be done without Reiki, we know this. This though isn't what happens passively in Reiki. I feel that forsure, Reiki 1 students can absent heal, since they're initiated with HSZSN.

It's more of a stretch to say that they can absent heal without the teacher using HSZSN in their initiation. there's no deliberate act of empowerment with HSZSN there.

However, when a teacher is carrying out the spiritual empowerment, what we're doing is passing on what we ourselves are able to do. This is because we've been initaited into the symbols, .

Colin wrote:
By the same logic, wouldn't that also mean that a Reiki 1 student would also have received the ability to pass an attunement, if they knew the procedure and tried?

when we use DKM in the way we do now, in Usui Shiki Ryoho, we are in fact master initiating. So yeah, they could.

If we were performing a Reiju, it' still confering the ability of Reiki. And there is our own DKM in the mix. Can a person whom has solely reiceved Reiju, pass on that blessing? I dunno, possibly. As, they're actually experiencing the blerssing themselves. difference between Reiju & Denju, as we know, is how long one lasts for. Not how effective it is intially, per se.

Colin wrote:

Here also..

SOME THOUGHTS ON INITIATION...
Copyright © 2006 James Deacon
[Modified: Dec. 14. 2006]



<snipped for brevity>



IMO, modifying the initiations results in the student being 'fine-tuned' to a slightly different set of frequencies (some might say, a less 'pure' or less 'effective', perhaps even less-than-therapeutic, set of frequencies).

All that talk of passing impure energy down the lineage if styles are mixed is starting to sound like the only people who will have received pure Usui Reiki are those directly attuned by Mikao Usui or who have received un-modified attunements from people who have never received any attunements for any other style of Reiki. I think this probably means no one alive today (apart from maybe the odd Japanese nun who apparently was not taught any symbols) is capable of passing on completely pure Usui Reiki, as even Dr Hayashi and Mrs Takata are said to have modified the initiation process (and/or symbols) they used a some point(s) in their long careers.

yeah, some might say impure, that's the way it was put, . I think the article is about suggesting that changes within the initiatons, are not always neccessarily a good thing. I've personally heard this is with Tera-Mai, some have said to me. That it feels weird.

My own reason for including the article, is to hopefully open up the possibility that the symbols do more, and are involved in, more than we think. even when one doesn't consciously use them.

Colin wrote:
This striving for a pure lineage also sounds rather like the search for a pure-bred Reiki master race who are the only ones who have pure Usui Reiki!

Penchant for writing dramatically, eh? Likewise here, hehe. Can't comment on striving for a pure lineage. I know folks do strive to find out the real teachings of Reiki though!

anyhow, isn't it the styles whom claim originality the ones whom are attempting to set themselves up above others? else, why go learn with them! Ahem... .

Colin wrote:
It is a good theory as to why some people feel different styles of Reiki feel different though!

If i got initiated into Sekhem, how come it feels different the Usui Reiki. Most folks can feel the differences in these styles. What's changed in them? surely the teachings don't affect teh energetic experience? It's got to be theh inclusion of other symbols, and the different initiation procedure.

We may be making a call to the US, but not all calls are to New York. Hehe.

Take care
Wayne