dear Mike

Your joining in is a contribution... All the things might not need to be reduced in writing...many things are retained no where but in hearts, in feelings, and in general public note... Merited to say that even the constitution of a big Kingdom, the Great Britain, is also ''un-written'' and is contained in their norms and conventions over centuries

Individual and 'subjective' experiences are of as much value as are the concepts about which there is sorta consensus prevailing out there.... You are very cordially invited to enrich us with your thoughts, no matter how much 'math-like' they would appear to you.....

For me, the simplist definitions of math is :

''God-made rules expressed in man-made equations''

(so you are already so innately close to Universe at large )


warm welcome buddy!


Salman

Thank you Buddy. I'm correcting some assignments and am starting to see too many numbers flashing in my eyes. Must be my bedtime

Talk to you soon some other time. Good night!
Math is not all there is.

Lambs-Wool wrote:dear Mike

Your joining in is a contribution... All the things might not need to be reduced in writing...many things are retained no where but in hearts, in feelings, and in general public note... Merited to say that even the constitution of a big Kingdom, the Great Britain, is also ''un-written'' and is contained in their norms and conventions over centuries

Individual and 'subjective' experiences are of as much value as are the concepts about which there is sorta consensus prevailing out there.... You are very cordially invited to enrich us with your thoughts, no matter how much 'math-like' they would appear to you.....

For me, the simplist definitions of math is :

''God-made rules expressed in man-made equations''

(so you are already so innately close to Universe at large )


warm welcome buddy!


Salman

Salman I love math it was my favorite subject.

this thread started out seeking to find vibrational
differences in Reiki styles

It seems like we're back on track to discuss the issues
let's stay on topic.

hi Bridget

The term 'vibrational' just caught my sigh! Why we have to assume that reiki is 'vibrational' if we are to believe it exists

Salman

Good point salman.
A tuning fork is vibrational

Higher energy vibration is a term used
when attuning a student to different Reiki
levels. I do prefer to use ULFE.

Vibrational,channeling frequencies,not
quite the descriptive words I want to
use when working with ULFE that flows
differently depending on the clients needs.

MathMan wrote:Well okay, thanks. But if all these reiki styles are like flavors of ice cream, and everybody is different, then it looks as if this forum serves the purposes of exchanging individual, and subjective experiences. Having been in "school for so long", I'm having difficulty not seeing anything that's not on paper or on the screen or some other tangible surface. What I'm saying is that I don't know what contribution I can make here. I don't think that anybody would appreciate listening to a "math lecture".

Perhaps I should just explore around and see if something peaks my interest.

MathMan Mike

Hi,

Well my friend...Lets consider this perspective... Reiki is not much for being defined in "1`s and 0`s" statements like..."I know this is true cause I can prove it with logic"...take a back seat to... "I experienced this in this manner so it`s real to me."
In Reiki common experiences occur all the time giving more weight to a phenomenon which eludes tangibility at times, unless of course you are the one experiencing the energies of Reiki. I have felt Reiki in a very tangible manner many times.

My experiences with reiki have proven to me without a doubt that much of what we think we know about the Universe, and the human mind for that matter, needs to be looked at. I used to believe in the laws of physics that I was taught in high school. With that said, I still believe what i was taught, it`s just that what I once interpreted as a "law", now appears more like a "guideline".
Man gives his brain a little too much credit sometimes. limittions in perception, mean we have a limited view of the Universe in which we live.
Math has been the tool of choice to unlock what we do know about our surroundings. Where would we be without math or Quantum Mechanics?

Mike, as far as a contibution, don`t worry about it. Sometimes an innocent, uninformed question can turn into an exchange of ideas that lasts days in this place. it`s nice to have you here. I hope you find something of interest!!

RJ

I just discovered this thread which is ...well...very interesting. Indeed some great ideas and points of view have been exchanged and I can rip all the benefits ..without even saying a word. And I probably should have kept it this way ..but since there seems to have been a some misunderstanding and considering that I am fairly new to this forum as well I though it would be appropriate to say a few of my own “observations”

1.I find everybody here to be very polite and helpful, just as a family.
2.We all share commonn interest in Reiki and yes, sometimes we have passionateexchangee but I find it ratherbeneficiall to all. I am not here to have everybody agree with me. I want to learn something new and when I am proved wrong than that's actually good thing. I have learned something without having to pay! ( I hope Wayne will not see this for this might give him an idea to start charging me every time I am wrong
3.As most of members here I also have some concerns regarding the scientific challenge being proposed here for the simple reason that while we can say that some reiki styles have different form and techniques when it comes to healing effect ..it is so complex ..and ..in most cases very subjective....and finally...Reiki itself doesn't heal in the way the medicine works so not sure what would be measured here.

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hai all

I don't knew why people very concern about scientific proof of reiki not even this site lot of many other site even reiki is far away and still today science doesn't have such equipment which measured the reiki power and whatever equipment is there which is measure starting stage of reiki energy.

The best evidence which we can reconised by our own efforts and practise beacause god have given such wonderful body and soul who can measure all reiki power more than this only thing we required to understand it.

So not see science evidence see own evidence it is happening every breath only thing we need to reconised.....

When chi-solar put solar ULFA people like it very much even i also but when i saw my own experience it is more powerfull than that experienced. Science is discovering now days all this which has discoverd our ideal people long long long time but problem we more believe on science evidence rather than our ideal people. May be other reason , from born we put the believe modern science only for human being and forget other method or we left other method for miracle which is not right justice.

But we all reconised when Great Mikua Usai bring it in front of us in form of reiki and tell all the world there is another way for treat human without Sid effect....


So for me my own practice is great evidence who give me proof great science presence in different-2 form So we should made our body such equipment which measure all this soul science power and tell us not wait science certificate if we go with science speed in our region than we will be very late .



take care
vj

vj,judging and expectations do
not fit the healing mold of the
Reiki system. Like you I also
am not waiting around for science
to measure the healing power of
of Reiki. Instead I use my common
sense and find I'm more drawn to
ULFE and continue to be in awe at
the outcome of each Reiki session
that I facilitate.

I do understand that there are many
science minded folks who do need
to know and document what it is that
makes the Reiki system work.

Good post VJ

very sure that reiki needs moments of experience in order to see how it feels and works, but when we discuss reiki as a 'therapy', we must prepare ourselves for the daunting questions people at large would throw on us...frowning at people who demand scientific proof about reiki, is but one approach...but when we speak high about the potentals reiki contains, it is very natural that they demand 'proofs' before getting laid out for a session...

Dealing with skeptics is no easy game either.... Even if we can't provide them proofs as they want it, we may look into ourselves that how to look for 'scientific evidence' for reiki, since something that 'happens', can well be 'explained' that how it happened.....

I mean to say that if we give up when questions about reiki are put forth, this might be taken as an alternative only, since we ourselves don't know it

one century back certain items of mind matters that were not being dealt with scientifically, are now taken as proper scientific subjects!

We see that time changes many many things

take care

salman, it is difficult to expect folks
to take your word that Reiki works. Telling
folks that its passive and simple is not
enough. Reiki like many alternatives takes
time to understand the nuturing that is
involved in the sessions. It is almost like
an emotional,spiritual massage.

true bridget. i'm sure you yourself do this, but for others reading..

if we always explain that there should be a Reiki response, but it's not always what the cleint wishes. by that, there may not be miraculous healing, often what's primarily needed then is perhaps a simple relaxation. or slight de-stress.

that chronic conditions may take some time.

and that tis always the client that is creating the healing, not us.

i particularly likje the last one, it takes away responsibility from us, hehe.

on topic: i think to try to stick to one path, no matter what it is, in the end makes us narrow-minded in ways. it can be expression of Reiki, or sticking to newtonian science, perhaps religion. forward thinkers in all three fields teach us much by an amalgamation of useful aspects of many paths.

warmest wishes
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:
on topic: i think to try to stick to one path, no matter what it is, in the end makes us narrow-minded in ways. it can be expression of Reiki, or sticking to newtonian science, perhaps religion. forward thinkers in all three fields teach us much by an amalgamation of useful aspects of many paths.

nicely summed up Wayne , thanks

salman

chi_solas wrote:salman, it is difficult to expect folks
to take your word that Reiki works. Telling
folks that its passive and simple is not
enough.

Bridget , i meant rather the opposite

take care

salman