I was thinking yesterday.. (surprised me that, hehe!)

It's about initiations.

Would you initiate someone who couldn't understand the things as most of the rest of us could? Would you initiate someone who was clearly sub-intelligent, thereby making it next to impossible to convey what the initiations entail, what they might do, what is & isn't acceptable in Reiki practice, how they might change their life. Possible healing crisis, etc, etc, etc.

If you'd decline to initiate another person because of any, or all of the above, how come it's fine to forgo all those issues and attempt to initiate animals?

Warmest wishes
Wayne

Depends at what level of understanding,
like mentally challenged.

Is the word sub -intelligence refering
to a person's IQ

I've not heard/known of animals to be
initiated. IMO animals bring much comfort
and companionship. I see no reason to
initiate them.

I'm laying out the ground for equating a human's understanding with an animals, lets say a dog. On equal intelligence of single human, it'd be interesting to see if anyone woudl initiate that human.

Yeah, folks have initiaited animals. A guy said he did his dog a couple years ago. Initiated i mean.

Milarepa wrote:I'm laying out the ground for equating a human's understanding with an animals, lets say a dog.

Personally I would only initiate a person if I knew (s)he understands the meaning of the initiation. This requires some verbal communication so I probably wouldn't initiate a dog even if I could trust that his level of understanding equals that of a human.

For the same reason I would not initiate very young children. (I'm not giving any age limit here because there are huge individual differences.)

I wouldn't judge those who do attune their pets but I feel that's treating the attunement more or less like a kind of parlour game. Not exactly a view I'd share...

MattiT wrote:

Milarepa wrote:I'm laying out the ground for equating a human's understanding with an animals, lets say a dog.

Personally I would only initiate a person if I knew (s)he understands the meaning of the initiation. This requires some verbal communication so I probably wouldn't initiate a dog even if I could trust that his level of understanding equals that of a human.

For the same reason I would not initiate very young children. (I'm not giving any age limit here because there are huge individual differences.)

I wouldn't judge those who do attune their pets but I feel that's treating the attunement more or less like a kind of parlour game. Not exactly a view I'd share...

MattiT that's an interesting term "parlour game"

most folks that I'm aware of who have attuned their
children, have done so around the age 7/8. I would
suggest that the children know what's involved and
that they agree without being coerced

chi_solas wrote:MattiT that's an interesting term "parlour game"

Isn't it? I had in mind the spiritistic sessions people used to arrange for fun in the early 20th century (or so I've heard).

most folks that I'm aware of who have attuned their
children, have done so around the age 7/8. I would
suggest that the children know what's involved and
that they agree without being coerced

Children who grow up in a family where reiki is used to heal the occasional bumps and bruises probably have a fairly good understanding of reiki by that age.

In the movies I've seen those old fashioned parlours
were visitors/house-guests were invited for tea.
Depending on the story line a Ouija board would be
part of the plot.

My grandchildren are very much aware of Reiki since they
were toddlers. Being attuned to reiki has always been an
option for them. Their other grandmother was my Reiki
teacher.

When they were younger they'd Reiki their classmates who
got injured at recess. As they advanced into the upper
grades its not something that's hip sorta speak. They are
not formally attuned but will use it on animals.

Good topic Wayne

personally, the more i m learning about reiki, the more choosy i m feeling the need to become whenever a question of initiations is put forward. i have had interesting experiences in this while.... ony my close buddy asked for initiations, i demaned some charge for it... and i sufficiently explained that why i would need to charge him for initiations... he is rich guy, and the amount i demanded is hardly equal to his frequent 'candle-light' dinners here and there....

that experience gave me full satisfaction on the merits of the decision!


becoming a teacher, or saying so, initiating someone is a huge big step... it is an interaction with the spiriutality of someone... this is the story of making a bond! no doubt, people have pets which are no less than their kids, yet still there is a big question of whether we would initiate them, or even our kids ?

my son aged 7 has observed me doing reiki treatments quite often, and naturally he tries to do it himself too... in a way, he is draining himself of his personal energy when he tries to do 'reiki' sessions with his playmates...(he is not initiated yet)... what i have done for him is to guide him to some breathing exercises and some physical stuff, so as to build up some good base for him....

he has stopped his 'reiki sessions' for some while, and i intend training him on a gradual slow pace till the time i can educate him about the aspects of Reiki...


initiating pets ? well, i feel that it is not needed... animals, especially those living in their natural habitat, have an innate ability of healing themselves, and since they dont need any spirituality apparently, there seems no cogent reason of initiating them


take care

salman

initiating pets ? well, i feel that it is not needed... animals, especially those living in their natural habitat, have an innate ability of healing themselves, and since they dont need any spirituality apparently, there seems no cogent reason of initiating them

salman, that's interesting, humans have
innate healing. Some folks would claim
spirituality is not part of their belief

Yes, Humans have innate healing abilities Bridget (who knows it better than your first hand experiences of fighting an impossible disease )

reiki seems to put that process in motion on physical levels, and also doing the rebuild of spirit on metaphysical levels

Take care
Salman

I have experienced great healing from a Reiki Master cat, attuned by the cat's human.

Ask for an initiation from a wild animal sometime -- you may end up questioning the idea that we understand the workings of Spirit any more deeply than they do. In fact, the wild beings have much to teach us.

It's good to respect childrens' free will. They may end up going way beyond what we think we know about doing Reiki.

The more attunements I give, the less I truly know about them.

aronaya, I was an adult before getting
close or connecting with animals.I hated
trips to the zoo. I always ended up with
a headache. Hind sight today I can see why.

Children's learning does get stifled with
the many rules/restrictions we put on them
for their own good

Attunements in any organization gives the
official stamp of approval that you are now
one of us. We can identify our brother/sister
Reikian's

hi Aronaya

i have no doubts over several superb abilities of animals that sometimes surpass the corresponding abilities of human beings... But the idea of 'reiki master cat' just hovered above my head without entering it when we use term 'master', we normally refer as someone who can initiate others into reiki...and that in turn requires certain ingredients so that the reiki ability may pass to the initiate... Can a cat, or some other animal, be supposed to do this??

Lambs-Wool wrote:hi Aronaya

i have no doubts over several superb abilities of animals that sometimes surpass the corresponding abilities of human beings... But the idea of 'reiki master cat' just hovered above my head without entering it when we use term 'master', we normally refer as someone who can initiate others into reiki...and that in turn requires certain ingredients so that the reiki ability may pass to the initiate... Can a cat, or some other animal, be supposed to do this??

Perhaps being a Reiki Master does not have as much to do with the comprehension of Reiki Symbols and esoteric initiatory rites but rather the ability to allow one's heart to be open and simply feel unconditional love.

No way of knowing if the cat can teach Reiki, without giving it a try. My experience was of superb mastery, regardless of teaching ability.

I'm not saying that animals would initiate us humans to Reiki. I think their approach is more direct and less tangled up in the confusions and delusions of language.