Lambs-Wool wrote:hi Bridget

thanks for these thoughts...


no disrespect intended, but i view reiki in a different perspective... while i m still digging down to find the real link between reiki and universal life force energy and one thing more included in the list viz, personal energy


Takata Sensei has been reported to have said that (let) the enregy 'come from within'... what that energy is ? personal energy ? qi? or reiki ? or ULFE ?

a little further thoughts suggests the following :

if we go to the word Hatsurei ho, literal translation is "invoking/generating the spirit method" (instead of generating the energy method ?)

so it means that while we concentrate in joshin and seichin that energy is flooding from crown to base of torso, or from hands, arms to heart, it is not that we are actually intending some 'energy' to flow, rather we are visualizing a thing in order to expand our perception of our bodies...


as per the very name of the method, this was designed to generate/invoke spirit instead of invoking any energy.... we cant escape assuming that by the words 'let the energy emerge from within' Takata too had meant spirit, and not energy per se ?? or otherwise ?

when we use the term ULFE, we mean something that is always present, always permeating within and around us, something that is responsbible for our very being... would you include that thing in the category 'energy' or within the category 'spirit/soul' etc. ?

when we say reiki is ULFE, our mind jumps more the concepts of energy by hearing that term instead of jumping at something called spirit (of life) or soul or something....


personally i feel that when we do something with our spirit in a way we have been empowered through symbols, we 'generate' reiki, and precisely saying, when the spirit is invoked or triggered, every phenomenon that occurs, whether it be energy-oriented or not-so-energy-oriented, is called Reiki...

as my present understanding prompts me, reiki does not bring about something, rather the ability Usui conferred us is something that brings about reiki... reiki is not an energy that brings about events, rather the happening of events in a speicific way is called "reiki"...


emphasis is on 'specific' too ! since every event of spirit is not reiki

so even when i believe that our each moment of limbs or of toungue has a spiriutal significance, each such spiriutal essence cannot be told as 'reiki'


i wish all my comments be taken towards my efforts to find about reiki, instead of an authoritative acclaim of something like 'i know this.....'


take care

salman

rzukic wrote:Hi Salman,

What I was trying to say is that there is the time when the student goes beyond that what his teacher has to offer so he/she is ready to start new chapter and expend on the teachings of his teacher.

chi_solas wrote:
salman I speak only about my own personal experience.
Energy IMO comes from life itself. I walk the earth
so I pick up the energy from the earth. The Sun provides
that energy.

Lambs-Wool wrote:

chi_solas wrote:
salman I speak only about my own personal experience.
Energy IMO comes from life itself. I walk the earth
so I pick up the energy from the earth. The Sun provides
that energy.

hi Bridget, what you just said is called wisdom, which we gradually learn to posess


nothing to disagree on this statement, as it is enveloped in unviersal appeal !


salman

chi_solas wrote:

Wisdom comes with age...

Milarepa wrote:

chi_solas wrote:

Wisdom comes with age...

true, that's why we asked you to honour us by being moderator! we needed some sanity here!

rzukic wrote:Hi Salman,

Just to avoid any misunderstanding I have high regards for John and I never contacted him. I just though that about it as my next step since I wanted to learn from somebody who learned from Ms. Takata directly.

Than I realized it was time to find my own way I had all I needed. Instead I started to learn how to incorporate reiki into my daily life and I found whole a lot of opportunities.