Milarepa wrote:yeah, it doesn't happen to everyone. BTW, you got no contribution point yet? I must have missed you in the welcome section!

I just noticed that I have more
contributions points than you.

well you are the forum grandma, so you gotta have the most wisdom!

yeah, you're a major poster on here lately, i give daily contro points to members and it's a nice little way to show appreciation. it's a good little app.

I teach my own reiki style. That means there's some major differences in the practical application of handpositions and everything around. IF they haven't taken reiki 1 in my school, they're not taking reiki 2. There's to much in Okuden that builds on shoden teachings.

This is a really old topic..Didn't realise it had been that long since I was on the forum
So afer meeting with that person and having a look over their manual and a general chat about reiki we both agreed that it would be a preferable thing for them to redo the full training and they said it was so different and how glad they were that they did it and that not only their reiki connection felt better and stronger(not my words)but that it completely re-invigorated their passion for reiki...
Since then I have probably had another half dozen cases the same...Wasn't even an issue as they had all been either clients or people coming to reiki shares and asked for retraining.
I agree with Moore..Shoden is such an important level and of course different styles have different emphasises, attunement ways, philosophies, views on history, etc that it is just easier and better to begin again- that way you have no doubts about what they know or have been taught- for it was you!

Well, my personal opinion is that it should not really matter should it? Reiki is Reiki. Is not the Reiki energy the same, wether from this or the other system. (I was quite suprised to find outh that there are quite a number of reiki systems). From what I understand, the energy is the same. We have a group of 5 reiki practitioners coming together every wednesday to share ideas and practise and I have many times also deviated from the prescribed hand positions with no ill effects, as a matter of fact do I want to claim that often I have assumed a hand position which felt right to me and it had better effect. The "deviated position" just felt right.

Personally I dont see why such an issue is made often about positions and lineage and symbols and the like. Agreeing with Andy, I would have a talk with the person to find out what the person knows about reiki, hand positions and the like, as well as experience with the reiki energy.

I think we might all practice different reiki all over the world using different hand positions and perhaps even symbols during the reiki sessions, but at the end of the day it all boils down to the same energy and how we apply it.

I was also quite shocked to discover what some organisations and private masters charge for a reiki course. Is the energy not free for all, should we not encourage as many as possible to use it or is it only for the elite few to use? I think not. To give you an example, my Reiki master (usui shiki ryoho system) charges NOTHING for a reiki course, which takes all weekend. You just have to bring your own food. A donation can be given if you can afford one (usually N$50-200, which is roughly U$ 5-20), but it is not necessary. Another Reiki master in Namibia also charges nothing for it.

My first level 1 cost me N$500 for the weekend a couple of years ago, and the Reiki master was highly upset with me when I questioned him about the "secret symbols", got even more upset when I told him one could download them from the internet. The highligh of course was the attunement process - I wanted to know what happens during it, why must I keep my eyes closed? What is the process? Nedless to say the msater was not impressed with me.

Hi Makutzi.

Reiki is much more than just receiving attunements and learning how to do them, it's also an ongoing process of self-discovery for the teacher and the student.

Technically, from a viewpoint of energy-work, it doesn't really matter whether or not a person has their eyes open during an attunement or not, but then technically, Reiki is also already inside us all--so why then bother with attunements or treatments at all???

Because we learn Reiki not through wrote but through experience, and experience--as varied as it is--gives us the tools we need to help awaken our students to greater spiritual awareness.

Being able to awaken our students can also be described as being able to communicate with our students. Communication is an essential skill to help establish and solidify a spiritual connection between teacher and student is often an unspoken and unwritten part of the Reiki experience. Without experience, a Reiki teacher just doesn't have a whole lot to offer a student other than what can readily be found by reading Reiki sites on the internet.

Our species has undergone a tremendous awakening in the last 50 years. Prior to that time, it seemed to be a select few who were spiritually aware with the abilities to perceive auras and other spiritual phenomena. During the 70's Jane Roberts material became vastly popular (and it still is, even today) and served to inspire and awaken many to teach awareness of spiritual realities, and that awareness has not only grown within the individuals who experienced the teachings but continued to expand through those they taught.

During the '70's, '80's, and '90's, Reiki was one of the many spiritual tuning-forks that vibrated with such strength that it caused most who experienced it to suddenly awaken to greater spiritual realities. What they had only read about in books suddenly became a reality they could now perceive.

Today, infinitely many more are aware of spiritual realities as a consequence of spiritual resonance. Strike a tuning fork to vibrate, place another tuning-fork next to it and what happens? The new tuning-fork begins to vibrate at the same resonance, the same frequency as the original.

Because so many around us have awakened, the technical processes of awakening really just doesn't make that much of a difference. Once any Reiki practitioner has been around a while, it becomes obvious that everyone does things slightly differently, slightly in their own way, compared to the way their predecessors did things.

Because so many around us have awakened, it's less common for a student to receive a Reiki attunement and suddenly possess the ability to perceive higher spiritual realities. That's because it's already awakened inside them, and that's a complete reversal of the way things were prior to the 1970's.

When a student insists on keeping their eyes open during their first and even subsequent attunements, they cannot, with any sense of honor or integrity, convey the value of that experience to their students. Personal experience is an integral part of Reiki, and without it, the teacher has little with which to help awaken their student.

The real secret of the attunement process is the experience. Each Reiki Master I know performs the attunements in a slightly different form than the other—even my students. I've taught my students to do things a certain way, and they don't. What they do is similar to what I do, not in the way of technique, but in the way of energy and essence.

In my opinion, if a student chooses to keep their eyes open during their first attunement, it's not a matter of my loss of a secret technique only given to my Master level students when they are ready, but rather it is a loss of the students ability to share that experience with their students.

When I have the opportunity to teach students from another lineage, like others have mentioned I like to check the manuals they have to see the common elements and the divergent ones.
Level 2's receive the key highlights in review of what Level 1 is about.
For Master students it is a whole different event as we review the whole manual.

Some of the people in my local area have only been attuned to the 4 Western symbols, (I also have William Rand's style)so just to make sure we were 'energetically' on the same page I would re-attune the person transferring to me. For instance, if they were taking the level 2 class I would also re-attune them to level 1 as per W. Rand.

Now add in Komyo Reiki style and the transferring student would get 2 attunements and a reiju.