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    Did Hawayo Takata feel the need to lie about Reiki history?

    Post by Milarepa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:34 am

    These are posts from my facebook group, of research that only took me 48 hours to do. The stuff wrote here is all fact, and most of it is completely independant of anything to do with Reiki. I've collated it, and restructured it to be more cohesive for this post. There's literally 100's of things to show there was very, very little anti-Japanese sentiment, here's just a handful. Thanks for reading.



    Did Hawayo Takata lie about things because of anti-Japanese sentiment?


    We all know the assumption that Hawayo Takata lied about certain aspects of Reiki history in order to make it more 'appealing' to the anti-Japanese feelings in USA, post-WW2. How accurate could this reason be?

    It's true that during World War 2, there was anti-Japanese feelings in USA. Even as far as interning the whole of the Japanese population, including buddhists. However, what's also true is that after their release, Buddhists began to have some semi-celebrities (writers) take an interest in Zen, in the 1940's & 1950's. Zen buddhists, even enjoyed growth in their numbers in the 1960's & 1970's in USA. In 1959, Robert Aitken, (an american POW in Japan in the war) founded the Diamond Sangha in Honolulu, Hawaii. Home state of Hawayo Takata.

    Karate, as we know is from Japan, was brought to the USA in 1945 by american soldiers. With people like Tsutomu Ohshima going to UCLA in 1955, and founding the first Karate club in US in 1957 in Caltech. In the 1960's Karate began to spring up all over the US.

    Origami began to be introduced to the US by Lillian Oppenheimer, from the late 1940's onwards.

    Some more interesting points:

    1. July 26th, 1952: Tommy Kono becomes first Japanese American gold medallist.

    2. Dec 1952: First Japanese television show broadcast in Hawaii.

    3. April 1955: "California's amazing Japanese" by Demaree Bess, Saturday Evening Post. "The Japanese residents of California have lifted themselves higher in a few post-war years than they did in the preceding century, and the agitation against them has almost been silenced".

    4. March 26th, 1958: Miyoshi Numeki wins an academy award for best supporting actress, in 'Sayonara'.

    5. In 1959, Hawaii (the only state where Japanese weren't mass interned), became the 50th state. Daniel Inouye was the first Japanese American elected to the House of Representatives.

    6. November 6th, 1962: Idaho voters vote by 123,542 to 41,206 to approve a constituition ammendment extending basic american rights to naturalized asian americans. Idaho was the LAST state to hold restrictions.

    7. In 1962, Daniel Inouye becomes first Japanese American elected to the Senate.

    8. In 1974, Norman Mineta was elected first mainland Japanese American to the House of Representatives.


    The talk in which Hawayo Takata said about the disputed aspects of Reiki history, was made in 1979. As we can see, there was even very little anti-Japanese sentiment in the 1950's, never mind over 20 years later.


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    Re: Did Hawayo Takata feel the need to lie about Reiki history?

    Post by EzriReiki on Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:44 am

    Hello Wayne
    Milarepa wrote:

    5. In 1959, Hawaii (the only state where Japanese weren't interned).


    This is not quite right.
    Hawaii was not not yet a US state during the war, and some Japanese and Japanese-American residents were interned, not all, but probably more than a thousand. (The Japanese made up such a large proportion of Hawaii's workforce that sending them all to internment camps would have crippled the economy.) Some were interned at a facility on the island of Oahu originally at Sand Island and later, Honouliuli Internment Camp, some at Haiku Internment Camp on Maui, some at Kilauea Military Camp on Big Island, some at Kalaheo Stockade on Kauai. A few were even taken to camps on the US mainland.


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    Post by Milarepa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:53 am

    Yeah, with more than 158,000+ Japanese/Americans in Hawaii, only maybe 1500 were interned, what's that, 1%. With 62% of those again being American citizens, as in nissei (american born/american citizens), and not Japanese (as i wrote). taking it down to 48% (some official figures place it 40%) of maybe 1500 people. The internment very minor.

    Appreciate you pointing out my grammatical error with combining past & present tense also.


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    Post by Pandora on Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:49 am

    There is a fundamental misunderstanding by the West of Eastern thinking, and particularly the concept of "truth".

    To us in the West, "truth" is that which can be independently proven, discovered by research, confirmed by sources and referenced.

    To Eastern minds, particularly Chinese/Japanese minds, "truth" exists independently of "facts". "Truth" can be illustrated by concepts, ideas, stories. Take, for instance, the parables of Jesus Christ, or Buddhist teaching stories (some of which bear an uncanny resemblance to some of the stories about Usui's life). In this paradigm, what we know as "facts" are subservient to the underlying "truth" which needs to be understood.

    Of course, this all makes any search for "what Usui taught" or "the truth about Reiki" basically redundant because we have a fundamental misconception about the exact nature of what it is that we will find.

    If that is the case, then, why do we use the word "lie" to describe what Mrs Takata told us? Why use such emotive language, unless you deliberately want to discredit her teaching? Why not use a word such as "parables" or "teaching stories"?

    Mrs Takata taught what she did, how she did, using the words that she did, because she came from the culture that she did. People who try and straddle cultures, especially those who are trying to convey concepts which are alien in one of the cultures, often use language that doesn't really get the meaning across because of the gap between those cultures.

    To appease Western requirements for a reference for this thinking, read "The Geography of Thought" by Richard Nesbit.

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    Post by Milarepa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:02 am

    Hey, nice to see you back!

    Pandora wrote:
    If that is the case, then, why do we use the word "lie" to describe what Mrs Takata told us? Why use such emotive language, unless you deliberately want to discredit her teaching? Why not use a word such as "parables" or "teaching stories"?


    Imo, it's been vital Takata sensei is discredited in order for the originality styles to have a purpose of existence.

    You're completely right, why not use 'teaching stories' etc. Although, there's another avenue. Why not use 'she told the truth'. That's an avenue i'm embarking on, i'll post info here, and on the facebook group, it'd be great if you took an interest.

    i'm also waiting on word back from folks in Hawaii, re: another aspect i'm working on, so stay tuned for that! Smile.

    Pandora wrote:
    Mrs Takata taught what she did, how she did, using the words that she did, because she came from the culture that she did. People who try and straddle cultures, especially those who are trying to convey concepts which are alien in one of the cultures, often use language that doesn't really get the meaning across because of the gap between those cultures.


    This is the thing. Takata sensei was born in a US state, by two Japanese parents, and brought up with a Japanese background. Although some of her training was in Japan, she of course was also very much in touch with US sociological aspects. In particular, right up to 1979, when she said the Reiki history. She knew both cultures intimately, Smile.

    You've hit on something else i'm working on atm also, hehe.

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    Post by Dragonfly on Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:07 am

    Thanks for the information. I know this is an area of big interest to you, Wayne.

    I do agree with a lot of what Chris says, and even though Takata Sensei was Japanese-American and quite familiar with American culture, etc., clearly there's something more here that we're missing.

    Is it possible she was asked not to share or advised to change elements of information about Reiki's history by Dr. Hayashi?

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    Post by Milarepa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:28 am

    Dragonfly wrote:

    I do agree with a lot of what Chris says, and even though Takata Sensei was Japanese-American and quite familiar with American culture, etc., clearly there's something more here that we're missing.


    What's making you say there's something we're missing?


    Dragonfly wrote:
    Is it possible she was asked not to share or advised to change elements of information about Reiki's history by Dr. Hayashi?


    It's possible, for sure. Though there has to be reasons why this would be required.

    Synchronicity with you & I here, hehe. I've just been researching for an hour or so exactly what Takata sensei did sya in the Reiki history audio.

    It's made clear that Hayashi sensei told her everything she repeated. she said she never met Usui sensei.

    1. Usui sensei was a genius, philosopher, scholar.

    2. Travelled to US for 7 years.

    3. Studied Chinese characters of sutras

    4. Tale of toothace girl at bottom on Kurama, Usui sensei shows amazement/seeks verification girl is tellin gtruth bout result (don't we all firt time with Reiki)

    5. Said Hayashi sensei never once changed the system.


    point 1 is also wrote on the Usui memeorial.

    point 2 is a really interesting one. Proof has been hard to come by for the trip to US and the Chicago university. We can see though, that not only Hayashi sensei, but also the students involved in the memorial felt that Usui sensei had at least went to the US.

    point 3, at the very least shows a chinese connection, which is strengthened on the memorial, by an actual visit.

    point 4 is a great one. Prob every single Reiki person has been amazed at the effect of Reiki for the first time, on a recipient of theirs. It's very, very, common, and very human, for us to ask the recipient 'is it really gone'? As Takata sensei said Usui sensei did for the first time.

    point 5 speaks for itself.

    Thanks for taking an interest!

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    Post by Dragonfly on Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:41 am

    Milarepa wrote:
    Dragonfly wrote:

    I do agree with a lot of what Chris says, and even though Takata Sensei was Japanese-American and quite familiar with American culture, etc., clearly there's something more here that we're missing.


    What's making you say there's something you're missing?



    Sorry, maybe I should try to clarify. Chris talks about how the idea of "truth" is culturally different in the East and the West. Takata sensei straddled both cultures and thus was familiar with both, yet chose deliberately to teach in a style that may have occluded certain elements of "factual truth," which is different from "spiritual truth."

    The stories of Usui sensei traveling to the U.S. sort of baffled me. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but just somehow odd to me that there is no way to verify the possibility that he did. 7 years is a long time to be in this country and have no trail anywhere. Granted, it was at least 100 years ago and it's unlikely you can find passenger manifests from ships that sailed from Japan to the U.S., but if he was a spiritual teacher surely he must have stayed with someone or had direct contact with people who talked about or remembered this man from Japan! That's my personal take on it, though.

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    Post by Milarepa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:00 am

    Dragonfly wrote:

    Sorry, maybe I should try to clarify. Chris talks about how the idea of "truth" is culturally different in the East and the West. Takata sensei straddled both cultures and thus was familiar with both, yet chose deliberately to teach in a style that may have occluded certain elements of "factual truth," which is different from "spiritual truth."


    Yeah Chris's point was really good. there's things like the story of how Takata sensei raised someone from the dead, and various other stories like the one told on audio about a guy working in a chicken factory, getting his finger cut of, then Reiki being used and it was totally healed.

    Dragonfly wrote:
    The stories of Usui sensei traveling to the U.S. sort of baffled me. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but just somehow odd to me that there is no way to verify the possibility that he did. 7 years is a long time to be in this country and have no trail anywhere. Granted, it was at least 100 years ago and it's unlikely you can find passenger manifests from ships that sailed from Japan to the U.S., but if he was a spiritual teacher surely he must have stayed with someone or had direct contact with people who talked about or remembered this man from Japan! That's my personal take on it, though.


    Really good pionts. Though i was thinking bout this as i was walking to the toilet, hehe earlier - folks havn't been able to find verification, as of yet. that doesn't mean neither you, myself, nor anyone else would'nt find the verification, if we looked.

    James wrote an interesting article once, about a guy who changed his name to go to US, and went & studied there, taking a western name. May seem odd to us now, but we weren't there then. It'd be interesting, to find out if this occurence was common practice, and just why was it. I'm gonna put that on my list, tbh. Cause it's important, as the doshisha/chigago things are used to invalidate almost everything she said.

    When Usui sensei went to US, it was to study, not to teach, so he'd be just another student.


    In the years immediately following the reopening of Japanese ports to foreign trade, it was still very difficult for Japanese citizens to get permission to leave the county, yet in 1864, a 21 year old samurai named Niijima Jou (1843-1890) secretly found passage on a ship to the U.S. (via China) with the intent of studying Christianity and science

    Settling in Massachusetts, he attended Amherst College and Andover Theological Seminary; eventually, in 1874, becoming ordained as a Protestant minister.

    However, at the time, had you contacted either Amherst College or the Andover Seminary enquiring as to whether or not an individual named Niijima Jou had attended their establishment, you may well have received an answer something along the lines of the one William Rand received from the University of Chicago, concerning Mikao Usui (see above)

    i.e., that their records did not indicate that Niijima Jou ever attended the establishment.

    And the reason for this?

    In the US, Niijima Jou, had adopted the name Joseph Hardy Neesima. (Jou became Joe became Joseph, Niijima became Neesima, and as to the middle name, Hardy, this was the surname of the people who sponsored his stay in the US)

    And in taking a westernised name, Niijima Jou / Joseph Hardy Neesima could perhaps be seen to have set a precedent.
    For, over the years it became a not too uncommon practice amongst Japanese students travelling to western countries to adopt western names (or at very least, westernised versions of their original Japanese names) [9]

    [Which begs the question: Could it be that when Usui-sensei went to the US [10] he had also adopted this practice?[11] ]

    For some, like Neesima, the westernised name was a baptismal one[12] - an outward sign of the individual's Christian faith[13], for others, taking a western name was simply part of their immersion in western culture, part of their desire to 'fit in'.

    On returning home, some kept their western names (a statement of their westernisation/modernisation), some did not.

    Niijima Jou, on returning to Japan in 1874, retained the westernised name Joseph Hardy Neesima.

    In 1875, he opened his own Eigakko (Academy) in Kyoto.

    Initially having only eight students, Neesima's academy steadily grew into an important centre for education, and by 1920, had evolved into a full-blown, private Daigaku (University) - yet it still bore its original name: Doshisha.


    Source: http://www.aetw.org/reiki_japanese_christianity.htm


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    Post by Dragonfly on Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:21 am

    I agree; I think it would be possible, although difficult, to find some proof that he had spent time in the U.S. And I also agree that he probably changed/Westernized his name. After all, many immigrants who came over (including my great-grandparents) had their names changed to make spelling and pronounciation easier (as well as to reduce the "ethnic" sound of the name) so it's entirely possible if Usui sensei was here as a student, he may have adopted the same convention.

    It also seems to me that given Usui sensei's accomplishments, there would be no need to lie about whether or not he had spent time studying in the U.S. The system of Reiki he developed stands on its own merit, even if he had never left Japan.

    Stories about spiritual teachers are so important in Eastern culture. Every time I go to India, I am always asked if I'm familiar with Gautama Buddha. I say that I am, that I studied Buddhism and practice meditation. Then, without fail, the person who asked me the question proceeds to tell me about the Buddha's life and how he reached enlightenment. It doesn't matter that I already know the story; it's the telling of it that is important. And further to that point, no one can verify if the incidents that Gautama Buddha witnessed that led him to leave his family in search of spiritual truth are "true" either. But they are so deeply embedded in the story that it would be pointless to question them either! They have their purpose and I'm sure the next time I go to India, I'll hear it again!

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    Post by Milarepa on Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:52 pm

    Dragonfly wrote: After all, many immigrants who came over (including my great-grandparents) had their names changed to make spelling and pronounciation easier (as well as to reduce the "ethnic" sound of the name) so it's entirely possible if Usui sensei was here as a student, he may have adopted the same convention.


    where did your great-grandparents come from?

    Dragonfly wrote:
    It also seems to me that given Usui sensei's accomplishments, there would be no need to lie about whether or not he had spent time studying in the U.S. The system of Reiki he developed stands on its own merit, even if he had never left Japan.


    Yeah, i feel this also. The issue isn't just the Chicago thing, but the doshisha also. the Chicago thing could be suggested cause of a name change, but the doshisha, hmm. I havn't looked at that in-depth, but it's interesting the founder of doshisha actually travelled under an assumed name himself. Until i try to check, i can't see why Usui sensei, or the doshisha founder might want Usui sensei's name changed. Though, if for whatever reason, Usui sensei did want his name changed, it might be easily acceptible for Niijima Jou to permit that, given his own background.

    Dragonfly wrote:
    It doesn't matter that I already know the story; it's the telling of it that is important.


    Yeah, Alliance folks would totally agree with this also!

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    Post by Colin on Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:58 pm

    Here is a link to Phyllis Furumoto's Reiki Radio show, where she is interviewing Paul Mitchell (another of Takata's Master students) about the Reiki Story as told by Mrs Takata. One of the interesting things comes up is that, although some of the points in her story cannot be currently verified as facts, it is the telling of the story itself which is an important part of teaching the system of Reiki as it conveys an energy of its own, which is not present when a list of historically researched facts are presented instead of the Reiki story.

    http://www.reikitalkshow.com/shows/view/69/archive_page:1

    The Reiki story is said to have this energy rather like the creation stories present in most cultures are told time after time and have an energy with them, regardless of whether they are factual or not. It is the act of storytelling itself which is important and has been for thousands of years. Mrs Takata was an excellent storyteller! Very Happy

    Having said all that, I still think it is important (as Reiki Teachers, not necessarily as practitioners) to know where the system of Reiki came from and as much as possible about the people involved and what was going on around that time. This way we can have a better understanding of who and/or what may have influenced Mikao Usui, Chujiro Hayashi and Hawayo Takata.


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    Post by chi_solas on Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:57 pm

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    They Changed Our Name at Ellis Island
    by Donna Przecha

    How Spellings Really Changed In this article, expert Donna Przecha dispels some common myths about name-changing at various points of immigration.

    We have all heard someone say that their family name was "changed by the inspectors at Ellis Island." Nowadays our names are recorded when we are born and are virtually never changed. You can still use any name you want as long as you do not intend to defraud but, in fact, with drivers' licenses, social security numbers, credit cards, etc., it is just too complicated to try to alter your name except through a court proceeding.

    People seem to feel that it was the same way at the turn of the century. They think that immigrants had one correct way to spell their name in the old country, when they encountered the clerk at Ellis Island it was changed to something else and then it was spelled that way ever after in America. The explanation usually is that the immigrant spoke little or no English, so either the immigrant inadvertently gave an incorrect reply to the question of "What is your name?" or the clerk misunderstood the name or decided it was too complicated.

    In reality, it is highly unlikely that this happened. The Immigration and Naturalization Service has a good article on immigrant name changes that explains why this wonderful story is a myth: the clerks at Ellis Island didn't write down names. They worked from lists that were created by the shipping companies. What usually happened was the emigrant bought a ticket from an office near his home. So, the seller probably spoke the same language and transcribed the name correctly. In cases where the name was recorded incorrectly, it likely occurred in the old country, not at Ellis Island.

    There are several questions to consider when talking about the accuracy of name spellings on records:

    When the record was created, was there a standard ("correct") way to spell the name?

    Did the individual know how to spell the name himself? (Was he literate?)

    If he did not write the name himself, did the recording clerk ask him his preferred spelling?

    So much of the time, the answer to at least one of these questions was "no." However, let us assume that your emigrant knew how to spell his name and it was written correctly on the list created by the shipping company and used by the inspectors at Ellis Island. When he arrived at Ellis Island, he was checked against the list. With all the immigrants coming through the facility, many translators were employed so language problems were rare.

    Bear in mind that name changes were often made by the immigrants themselves. Let's see what some of those possible reasons are.

    Employment
    The vast majority of immigrants came to the United States to get jobs. There was a huge pool of workers, usually unskilled, who were desperate to work. Employers didn't have to abide by anti-discriminatory laws and were not given sensitivity training. They often found foreign names difficult and preferred workers who were somewhat Americanized. If an immigrant had family or friends who arrived earlier they may have advised the new arrival to take an easier, more Americanized name. Similarly, a boss may have found the foreign name too difficult to say and suggested a simpler name (he might say, for example, "That name is too difficult for me. How about I call you Sam?"). The new employee didn't object and he may have just decided to use the new name for everything. And, since wages were usually paid in cash, he didn't have to worry about a name on a check being the same as the bank account or a Social Security investigation.

    .

    Fitting In
    Assimilating into American culture is another reason why your ancestors might have changed their names. While some immigrants came with the idea of working for a while and returning home, most came to stay forever. Many wanted to become Americans as fast as possible so they changed their style of clothes and adopted a more American name.


    who Changed Your Name? Your Ancestor
    If your family name underwent a change in America, you can be pretty certain that the only person responsible for the modification was your ancestor, not an inspector at Ellis Island! And, it is important to remember that the name may have evolved over time. Keep this in mind as you hunt for your immigrant ancestor in the records of his new homeland.



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    Post by Dragonfly on Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:12 pm

    In the case of my great-grandparents (fyi: I was legally adopted by my stepfather, so these are technically his grandparents) they emigrated from Russia and their name was changed at Ellis Island to something easier to pronounce. In fact, we have copies of the papers showing the name change.

    Wayne, it will be interesting to see what information you can find. I agree with Colin that as teachers, it is important for us to understand the history as much as we can but at the same time, respect the stories as important teaching tools where we can learn more subtle truths.

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    Post by AlienProgeny on Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:02 pm

    Hello,

    I'd like to contribute to this thread with a bit of history from my own family. My Grandmother married my Grandfather after the Korean war. They were unable to return to the US until around 1952 due to a law involving race restrictions in immigration, and something about her being a soldier's bride. Prior to that, a Great-Aunt of mine attended college in California, and was there when war with Japan started. While in high school, I asked my Grandmother about the internment camps and if she was ever in one. That is when she told me about her still being in Japan at the time and her sister going to school in California. She told me that her sister was rounded up and detained for a couple of days, but she was never taken to a camp. This was due to her being in college at the time. I wish I had more details but that is about all I know of what happened. My Grandmother did also say however, that my Aunt was treated "very poorly". Not by the Government, but by the people.

    On a related note. I did a search and found an article that I think might add to this discussion.

    http://reikidigest.blogspot.com/2010/01/piece-of-reiki-history-hawayo-takatas.html

    In the photos included with the article we can see the original sign Takata Sensei had outside her clinic, as well as an advertisement for her services. A couple of things to look at:

    1) On the sign, it is plain to see that the word "Reiki" was reduced and "Hawaii Health" was painted over it.

    2) In the newspaper advertisment, she did use the word "Reiki" to describe her services.

    In regards to the sign, why the change? Could this be evidence in support of the "Takata created a story..." theory that we are looking at? She does use the "reiki" word in the ad, but the date it was placed is in 1941, before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Maybe the ad is an artifact of before she made "the change", and the sign is an artifact of after. Maybe, she did change the story of Reiki's history and stuck with that version even after the tensions towards the Japanese eased. It is such a fascinating topic!!

    Many layers on this onion of Reiki history..... .

    Jotaro

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