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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Milarepa on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:33 am

    Violet Rose Reiki wrote: The wars, murders, and other atrocities perpetuated by religious belief and its unwavering defense against social and scientific progress combine to create quite a formidable argument against the notion that organized religion is necessary or even beneficial to human society.

    It's just a shame that it is obviously inherent in the human condition to form groups of like-minded people, and attack people who differ from your beliefs.


    I understand what you're saying. I feel though, we should look at the idea that this isn't religions fault. Humanities, yes. It's our greed, arrogance, and such which has done all these things. For sure, we have allowed all that to become intermingled with Religion. Though, religion itself is a sound concept. Many folks need structure within their lives. No less so within spirituality. Religion, as we know, is a platform in which to expereince something greater than ourselves.

    The issue is more a sociological, and inherent psychological one, in which we carry on our destructive behaviour. We fight over football, politics, even the next door neighbours wife, lol.

    Even folks that are within these religions, quite often, are not experiencing the purpose of the religion existing. So, without expereincing the divine, their actions are at times against what they profess to represent. This isn't the religions fault, but humanity, for changing/altering the religion. For example, Christianity was much different for the first 300 years, and to be honest, was a great path. Smile .

    I agree, some religions inability, or unwillingness to progress with the times, has in fact begun to alienate many people.

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Violet Rose Reiki on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:47 am

    The second round of the Inquisition cometh! pale

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Dragonfly on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:56 am

    Violet Rose Reiki wrote:Seemingly, the good things done in the name of religion are more than enough to make up for the slight harm caused by mass ignorance of the truth. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it fails to factor in the bad things done in the name of religion. The wars, murders, and other atrocities perpetuated by religious belief and its unwavering defense against social and scientific progress combine to create quite a formidable argument against the notion that organized religion is necessary or even beneficial to human society.

    It's just a shame that it is obviously inherent in the human condition to form groups of like-minded people, and attack people who differ from your beliefs.


    Remember that in their opinion, they believe they understand what constitutes truth and falsehood. We're saying we represent what is "true" while they also say the same thing, but the conclusions are different.

    I agree with you that many atrocities and social problems can be attributed to religious dogma, but I don't believe that organized religion as a whole is unneccesary or harmful. I belong to a church and feel that I am amongst a warm, caring and overall, socially progressive congregation. People need to be in community with each other. Some communities are healthier than others, no doubt, but for the relatively few that are truly harmful we have many that are very beneficial. Remember too that rules and decrees that are passed by the heads of any organized religion are not always followed within specific places of worship. I don't know that we can always change the way leadership at the top functions but we can change minds at the local level and that can make a huge difference.

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Dragonfly on Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:07 am

    Colin wrote:Here is an update concerning the US Bishop's Guidelines:

    http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20090406/NEWS01/304070012/1006/news01

    It would appear that some Catholic Institutions are actually following these guidelines and no longer offering Reiki - even though it was being beneficial to the recipients. Neutral


    I appreciated this statement in the article: Kerns said she will continue to practice Reiki. As for anyone who may be weighing the decision to continue Reiki treatments, she has this advice: "I would simply say for them to go into their heart and honor what is their truth."

    I think this is all you can really say. People who know that Reiki is beneficial will still seek it out, regardless of the Church's ruling. The Lourdes Health System is accountable to the Catholic Church, so the institutions have to respect and follow the ruling, regardless of any personal opinions on the subject.

    The best thing we can do is pray and send Reiki to the situation, trusting that if it is in the Highest Good for the Catholic Church to endorse Reiki, it will eventually happen. The Catholic Church has become increasingly arch-conservative since the appointment of Pope Benedict and that tone is not likely to soften any time soon.

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Violet Rose Reiki on Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:36 pm

    Yes, very informative article. I put it up on my website earlier today!
    People need to be informed.

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Dragonfly on Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:50 pm

    Thought you might be interested in a blog post my friend Sherri (Usui Reiki and Karuna Reiki Master) wrote on this subject:

    http://seeingmiracleseveryday.blogspot.com/2009/04/going-out-on-limb.html

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Lambs-Wool on Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:35 pm

    Milarepa wrote:]Yeah, i agree colin, it looks pretty well one-sided, and biased imo. To be honest, the writers seem to have misunderstood basic aspects of their own path. If i can be as bold to say, hehe.

    It's interesting they rely so heavily on the supposed non-existence of proof Reiki works scientifically, when, still, scientifically there is not firm evidence even God exists. It's ironic, that folks in a spiritual path ned to use science to somehow try to invalidate another spiritual path. Now that's a paradox!

    I have to disagree with them also when they say Reiki is not a prayer, but a technique. I always thought a prayer was a technique to interact with God.

    take care
    Wayne


    hi Colin, Wayne Smile

    a refined input to the the papers Colin referred ! [applause]

    almost translating the sentiment that those papers reflected, we too here have a feeling among my Islamic brotherhood that practicing reiki has a character of 'tampering' Islamic teachings vis-a-vis sometimes even alluding that invoking symbols is virtually close to 'shirk' (a fundamental sin where we ascribe something to somebody which Allah Almighty has the claim to be ascribed with)...


    and when i read such sentiments i sometimes question myself how our religious faith is sometimes so easily lax or vulnerable? how we disown anything we find spiritual on the simple premise that it was not taught to us in our religion or that it does not 'fit' apparently to the religious teachings....


    spirituality is a human attribute, a faculty that makes us 'fit' to be communicating with Divine... we are born with spirituality, like we are born with two hands and two feet to do work with... in one way, communication with Divine is a communication with oneself sometimes, since God is said to be seated right there in us too... and accepting that, we also realize that God is simply 'big enough' to be easily contained in 'us' only, rather He is big enough to be cumulatively contained within the whole universe... something that makes him 'GOD' Smile

    leaving aside that discussion about confusion of identities and boundaries, the topic in question here is whether reiki tampers with religion... i would say "not really!"... religion is a technique ( borrowing Wayne's eloquence) to communicate with GOD, and reiki is a technique that makes us more refined to do that... practicing reiki, is infact equivalent to making ourselves more 'fit', 'suitable' to practice what our religion tells us, and to brew the blessings with a greater possibility.


    example sake, islam prescribes us daily five times prayers, a whole month fasting once during a year, a pilgrimage to Holy Cities once in a lifetime, etc. etc. and invariably all these things require good health and a working limbs and body... so if someone goes for morning or evening walk, exercise regularly, etc. to maintain body health, he is infact making himself more 'available' to reap benefits of religious orders/rituals.... same way, if we nourish our spiritulaity through practicing reiki, we would produce good platform for our mind/body/spirit to act upon relgious requirements and to comlement ultimate aim of any religion viz: connection with Divine !


    spirituality is our own spark of Divinity, as Wayne puts it, and there are multiple ways to say this basic things... if you and i say the same thing in two ways, how come it becomes obvious that we are talking about two things literally Smile ??


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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Violet Rose Reiki on Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:02 pm

    [quote="Lambs-Wool"]
    Milarepa wrote:]leaving aside that discussion about confusion of identities and boundaries, the topic in question here is whether reiki tampers with religion... i would say "not really!"


    Indeed. Reiki does not tamper with religion, but it does seem as if religion, in this case, is tampering with reiki.

    One can be spiritual and yet not religious.

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by chi_solas on Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:52 am

    Violet Rose Reiki wrote:Seemingly, the good things done in the name of religion are more than enough to make up for the slight harm caused by mass ignorance of the truth. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it fails to factor in the bad things done in the name of religion. The wars, murders, and other atrocities perpetuated by religious belief and its unwavering defense against social and scientific progress combine to create quite a formidable argument against the notion that organized religion is necessary or even beneficial to human society.

    It's just a shame that it is obviously inherent in the human condition to form groups of like-minded people, and attack people who differ from your beliefs.


    I would think that Reiki is not acceptable
    in the church because it's non-religious and
    is used by many people who do not believe
    in a God but in a Higher Natural Self. As
    seen in the past, members of the Catholic Church
    defie some of their churches teaching such as
    abortion/gay rights, women who want to be priests
    usually move on and become priests. Some members
    of the Catholic Church will continue to practice
    Reiki outside the Catholic hospitials and patients
    who do want to participate can have distant Reiki.

    sunny


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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Violet Rose Reiki on Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:33 am

    [quote="chi_solas I would think that Reiki is not acceptable
    in the church because it's non-religious sunny[/quote]

    Exactly my point, reiki is non-religious, so why the denouncement?
    Seems the catholic church is making this a religious issue when it should not be.

    Love, Light & Healing
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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by JohnC on Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:54 am

    Violet Rose Reiki wrote:Exactly my point, reiki is non-religious, so why the denouncement?


    Reiki may be considered non-religious, but that's irrelevant to whether it's a threat to the church. Many of the issues may relate to new age add ons, but just take a look at the discussions in this group and tell me that these are not firmly entrenched in the Reiki community.

    Christian dogma states that the human soul is unique and personal - this does not allow for the concept of Universal Life Force Energy.

    Christians don't invoke "God Consciousness" (Panentheism) rather they believe in the Holy Trinity.

    In Christian circles, the invocation of spirit guides or calling upon spirits is considered very dangerous.

    Channeling and other associated psychic practices are considered very dangerous by Christians - where did your Reiki system originate. Mine is Tera Mai...

    Check this out if you want to read a less considered view...
    http://www.christianreiki.eu/Page1_eng.htm

    Regards,


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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Dragonfly on Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:24 am

    JohnC wrote:
    Violet Rose Reiki wrote:Exactly my point, reiki is non-religious, so why the denouncement?


    Reiki may be considered non-religious, but that's irrelevant to whether it's a threat to the church. Many of the issues may relate to new age add ons, but just take a look at the discussions in this group and tell me that these are not firmly entrenched in the Reiki community.

    Christian dogma states that the human soul is unique and personal - this does not allow for the concept of Universal Life Force Energy.

    Christians don't invoke "God Consciousness" (Panentheism) rather they believe in the Holy Trinity.

    In Christian circles, the invocation of spirit guides or calling upon spirits is considered very dangerous.

    Channeling and other associated psychic practices are considered very dangerous by Christians - where did your Reiki system originate. Mine is Tera Mai...

    Check this out if you want to read a less considered view...
    http://www.christianreiki.eu/Page1_eng.htm

    Regards,


    JohnC


    John is absolutely correct here in what mainline Christians have been taught to believe. And if Christians are practicing Reiki and doing these practices that are not supported by the dogma of the church, then they are not following what they have been taught to follow. It's a conflict of religious belief and practice. I think the reason this came to a head was because some Catholic health care institutions were allowing Reiki to be done in their hospitals and it came under scrutiny. So the Church had to make a decision about what was appropriate for their care providers to allow in their institutions, based on their beliefs. I don't think the Church is saying Reiki should be banned everywhere. It's just saying it's not appropriate for their church and its followers.

    Now, whether or not we Christians should just follow everything our churches tell us to is another issue altogether and it's a very personal one. Obviously, I'm not following it. No human being has the right to tell me what path God has intended for me to take.

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Dragonfly on Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:29 am

    Oh, and John, that is a very disturbing website! I have yet to meet anyone who does Reiki that became possessed by devils. Interesting, though, because the Pentacostals generally believe they can be overcome by the Holy Spirit and do things like speak in tongues, handle snakes and other spiritual phenomena...

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    Re: Guidelines for Evaluating Reiki as an Alternative Therapy

    Post by Violet Rose Reiki on Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:07 am

    [quote="Dragonfly"]
    JohnC wrote:Check this out if you want to read a less considered view...http://www.christianreiki.eu/Page1_eng.htm


    Ah, the Fear Factor again, but by another group. This can spin on forever.

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    Post by chi_solas on Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:31 am

    My daughter wanted to sing a spiritual at
    her grandmothers funeral mass. The choir
    master told her she could not sing it,
    because it did not have the word God in it.
    A grieving granddaughter was denied taking
    part in the funeral Mass. I no longer do
    Reiki in a Catholic hospital. The list goes
    on.It is sad that they continue to ostracize

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