In the notes attributed to Harue Kanemitsu, a level 2 student of Takata sensei, Takata sensei is said to have spoke in-course ' She said we would never lose our healing power, except if we were to try and teach REIKI to another.....'.

There's a trend among some Reiki folk not to train more than a couple of Master students. I used to think this is prob cause of 'quality control'. Perhaps there's another reason, maybe one that's been passed on innocently now, that even some practitioners aren't aware of?

What would happen if one lost their Reiki healing power might depend on just what exactly Reiki is. Assumptions that toe-the-line with our Reiki peers perhaps not being the wisest choice, neccessarily. Without further investigation.

In certain initiatory procedures, consciousness is passed on. From teacher to initiate. And some do believe that this is the way Reiki works, in part. The other part being the consciousness recieved enables us to interact with our own divinity.

Is this unlimited? Maybe.

Warmest wishes
Wayne

Update:

Robert Fueston was reading this topic, and wasn't sure about the information regarding the level 2 notes being from Harue Kanemitsu, a student of Takata. Robert has kindly managed to get in contact with Harue. Harue confirms that she was trained in level 1 by Takata in July 1979. This means that the 1975 notes that are atributed to her cannot be hers.

Interesting, I have meet some Teachers
who have decided that Reiki 1-2 is the
only level they are going to teach.

That's a rather odd statement. Reiki is innate in us, so what conditions would have to be present where we might "lose" it? I wonder if maybe there was some koan-like context we're missing here? LOL

'Reiki' might be inate in us, but so is, say, my 'personal' energy. This doesn't mean it's unlimited.

And like i've mentioned, some Reiki folks see the spiritual empowerment of Reiki as passing something (consciousness) onto the student. It's common in other non-Reiki systems from Japan, for example.

If we we're passing on something that was'nt as unlimited as some assume, and also didn't experience it ourselves as much as we should, would that mean we we're depleting what we had.

There's also another factor. I was gonna write it last night, but didn't feel comfortable. It was beleived by many in Japan after the turn of the 20th century that things like Reiki could actually deplete our own lifeforce! Fastforward to now. Off the top of my head there's quite a few Reiki practitioners who have had heart issues, and various other ailments. Course, they may have been destined to have that anyhow, but just how preventable medicine is the principles & passing on Reiki? I say passing on Reiki cause to my mind, it's quite a few teachers who've had/do have health problems. Some very, very well known ones.

Uncomfortable reading this prob, i'm uncomfortable writing it. I dunno if it's right, i hope not, but it's always useful to generate discussion. some things i've said here are fact, whether they tie in our not, jeepers, i dunno.

Warmest wishes
Wayne

Dana, I hear Reiki folks talking
about channelling and when I
mention innate and how we are born
with our own healing energies,Reiki
is free. It seems to be a concept
that they have not been taught.

hai milerapa,

reiki was, reiki is , reiki remain forever. it is answer for handing "Is Reiki forever"

In the notes attributed to Harue Kanemitsu, a level 2 student of Takata sensei, Takata sensei is said to have spoke in-course ' She said we would never lose our healing power, except if we were to try and teach REIKI to another.....'.

i strongly believe reiki never left anybody only we left reiki. now i explain how.

reiki was still flowing when we was not learned reiki same way as we have but problem we didn't understand and feel it and it power so reiki never left anybody in world.

There only way we stop feeling reiki that is when we star doubting on reiki or become more selfish means not worked for mankind that time it happened we lost our power of sense and believe once any body lost this two things they start to feel reiki not following but reiki is continue for all.....

If Takata sensei said it is only to give up selfishness and work for mankind and this is second thing which i mention above....

There's a trend among some Reiki folk not to train more than a couple of Master students. I used to think this is prob cause of 'quality control'. Perhaps there's another reason, maybe one that's been passed on innocently now, that even some practitioners aren't aware of?

i agree with you if it is for mankind but now days most of master working for money than how quality control... it is for money flow......

What would happen if one lost their Reiki healing power might depend on just what exactly Reiki is. Assumptions that toe-the-line with our Reiki peers perhaps not being the wisest choice, necessarily. Without further investigation.


just control the dis-believe and start practicing again and work for mankind everything normal very soon.



In certain initiatory procedures, consciousness is passed on. From teacher to initiate. And some do believe that this is the way Reiki works, in part. The other part being the consciousness received enables us to interact with our own divinity.

i agree it is possible but it is again temporary until our believed not developed so all thing depend on our own self.



Is this unlimited? Maybe.

it remains forever may be we sense it or not

thanks and love
vj

Wayne, my personal energy depends on my
daily routine & life style and how I
organize my life. I never feel that I'm
passing my energy on to a client as much
as I'm supporting a client to tap into
their innate being.

Most folks who find "Reiki" usually have
or had a physical, emotional,spiritual
dis-ease within. although "Reiki IMO
helps one to maintain a healthy mind & Body

chi_solas wrote:Wayne, my personal energy depends on my
daily routine & life style and how I
organize my life. I never feel that I'm
passing my energy on to a client as much
as I'm supporting a client to tap into
their innate being.

I wasn't suggesting Reiki is personal energy, .

I mentioned 'Consciousness' , solely cause it's known in certain forms of Japanese spirituality that some systems do pass this on. This is different from personal energy. And might not be unlimited. it's a question i'm floating. I've no opinion either way, but it's maybe good to look at all angles. there's reasons for many things in Reiki, we might not realise just.

Milarepa wrote:

chi_solas wrote:Wayne, my personal energy depends on my
daily routine & life style and how I
organize my life. I never feel that I'm
passing my energy on to a client as much
as I'm supporting a client to tap into
their innate being.

I wasn't suggesting Reiki is personal energy, .

I mentioned 'Consciousness' , solely cause it's known in certain forms of Japanese spirituality that some systems do pass this on. This is different from personal energy. And might not be unlimited. it's a question i'm floating. I've no opinion either way, but it's maybe good to look at all angles. there's reasons for many things in Reiki, we might not realise just.

I always look for simplicity

I do understand that other systems
do look deeper at what,why,when &
where

chi_solas wrote:

I always look for simplicity

That'd a pretty good practice!

chi_solas wrote:Most folks who find "Reiki" usually have
or had a physical, emotional,spiritual
dis-ease within.

Uh, most folks who don't "find 'reiki'" also usually have or had a physical, emotional, or spiritual dis-ease within?

Bruce

Bruce wrote:

chi_solas wrote:Most folks who find "Reiki" usually have
or had a physical, emotional,spiritual
dis-ease within.

Uh, most folks who don't "find 'reiki'" also usually have or had a physical, emotional, or spiritual dis-ease within?

Bruce

True, those of us who come to Reiki
usually find comfort within the Reiki
system and move on to become a Reiki
Practitioner.

chi_solas wrote:Dana, I hear Reiki folks talking
about channelling and when I
mention innate and how we are born
with our own healing energies,Reiki
is free. It seems to be a concept
that they have not been taught.

They have been told that Reiki is this "special power" they have been suddenly gifted with, instead of something that has been perhaps amplified or tweaked by the attunement. I tell my clients and students they are all perfectly capable of healing themselves. The degree to which we experience the healing is highly individual, though.

Milarepa wrote:
There's also another factor. I was gonna write it last night, but didn't feel comfortable. It was beleived by many in Japan after the turn of the 20th century that things like Reiki could actually deplete our own lifeforce! Fastforward to now. Off the top of my head there's quite a few Reiki practitioners who have had heart issues, and various other ailments. Course, they may have been destined to have that anyhow, but just how preventable medicine is the principles & passing on Reiki? I say passing on Reiki cause to my mind, it's quite a few teachers who've had/do have health problems. Some very, very well known ones.

Uncomfortable reading this prob, i'm uncomfortable writing it. I dunno if it's right, i hope not, but it's always useful to generate discussion. some things i've said here are fact, whether they tie in our not, jeepers, i dunno.

Warmest wishes
Wayne

My husband noted a few years ago that there are a number of spiritual teachers who have experienced stroke (and heart attacks), including Usui Sensei. So, if we are connected in this state of consciousness and are healing our bodies, why would we experience these major "insults" to the body? Some of it could be genetic predisposition, although there is evidence to suggest that you can override many aspects of your own genetic makeup (read Bruce Lipton's _The Biology of Belief_) and certainly you'd think that a highly evolved spiritual teacher might understand that. However, my husband, who works in health care, noted that our circulatory system requires a certain amount of arterial blood pressure in order to function properly. In other words, we need some stress in our lives. I wonder if people who meditate for long periods of time are existing so often in a super-relaxed state that it slows down arterial blood pressure to dangerous levels and causes either a bleed or perhaps even a blockage. Just a thought.

Dragonfly wrote:

chi_solas wrote:Dana, I hear Reiki folks talking
about channelling and when I
mention innate and how we are born
with our own healing energies,Reiki
is free. It seems to be a concept
that they have not been taught.

They have been told that Reiki is this "special power" they have been suddenly gifted with, instead of something that has been perhaps amplified or tweaked by the attunement. I tell my clients and students they are all perfectly capable of healing themselves. The degree to which we experience the healing is highly individual, though.

I remember a student rubbing her
hands before she started a share
session. I asked her what are you
doing. Her response was, that was
what I was taught...of course I was
surprized by that response.