More energetically opened.....

Bruce wrote:

Milarepa wrote:Before you were even initiated, you had an expereince with the master symbol. Has this expereince/feeling ever been 'replicated' or similar post-initiation?

The pre-initiation experience was a rush of energy that was overwhelming for about 20 minutes. I haven't had similar experience with reiki energy since then. Previous and subsequent experiences with other energies have sometimes verged on overwhelming.

I'm thinking, if you had an experience pre-initiation it may be put down to a possible one-off, but if you have had similar expereinces/feelings post-initiation there might be the possibility of tieing all in together. It might lend weight (for me personally) that the symbols themselves have power.

I don't doubt that the symbols are linked to power. As for the nature of that link? I don't know. The rush of energy came after I read the master symbol. Previously, I'd seen it printed illegibly, and there wasn't any energy.

Bruce

where did you see the symbol?...where was it written, who was it written by and what was the senario surrounding the situation that day? it helps to get a bigger ...

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:

The symbols acted as a catalyst to open up to Reiki, after the attunements we don't 'need' to draw the symbols..it is enough to say let the reiki flow.....

The reason you saying 'let the Reiki flow' works is cause when you say it, sub-consciously the dormant symbols are activitated.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
and even then that isn't quite accurate, because we are always reiki, and it is always flowing......only within a healing context we are focused on allowing it to flow for the specific needs of another.... that said i do play with the symbols.....but Rarely draw them when healing......but I have had certain symbols appear to me whilst healing and have then gone on to draw that symbol in my minds eye....

Reiki as in the energy, is & isn't the symbols. In their own right, the symbols carry the power/ability for the permament connection. As well as mnany other things.

A reliance on the symbols is just as much missing the point with them, as discarding them is. Using the symbols, interactign with them, but not feelings it's required to, is the way to go, imo.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
I also went to a Reiki share once and got a big long symbol directed at me from the Reiki master holding the share ( saw this in my minds eye- we were topping and tailing a client at the time)
I thought she was a bit cheeky directing this thing my way.....It wasn't a symbol I recognise fromUsui Reiki.....
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I think I mentioined on another thread I think we all find our own way of working with the symbols in Reiki...my way is certainly one which is becoming less nd less attached...

Back to my previous point. non-attachment doesn';t mean abstaining. They're tow different things.

Warmest wishes
Wayne

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:

Milarepa wrote:During initiation, the symbols are placed within us. Not over us, to the side, etc, but within. A look at any common initiaton procedure shows this, . It's not my belief, interpretation, point of view, it's reading plain english, .

eah I know that what everyone says....but do you believ that you now have the 'symbols' implanted into your subtle energy system that will be there for ever??

yes, . Why is there the assumption that they disapear? Why should they not stay forever? It explains many things in Reiki.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
To me the symbols were like energetic keys to energetic locks......the 'placing' was more of fitting the correct key into the correct lock and opening hat gateway/door....This is my view..I have never done an attunement and have not been taught this.....but I certainly don't feel like anything has been energetically implanted..

Even if you learn the attunments most probably hav'nt a clue why they do them! Not many care to find out why they place this symbol here, or that symbol there. Since Reiki teachers hardly know anything about the Reiki initiations from the very word go, it's not suprising they can't see past the end of their nose wiht the logic 'only conscious action dictate Reiki'.

Not directing that at you, since you're not a teacher! BTw, any feelings on whe if efver you'd take the plunge?

Warmest wishes
Wayne

[re. rush of energy from seeing the reiki master symbol, a few months before initiation into reiki]

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:where did you see the symbol?...where was it written, who was it written by and what was the senario surrounding the situation that day? it helps to get a bigger ...

I saw the symbol in the book Reiki and the Healing Buddha (author Maureen Kelly) while browsing in a Borders bookstore. I read the characters in Chinese, and then was overwhelmed by a rush of golden light that jumped in through the top of my head, raced up and down a few times, and settled into my central nervous system. (After that, I thought I should start looking for a reiki teacher.)

Bruce

WoW! pret powerful stuff!!...even though the symbol was in Maureen's book, did you know who was the original writer of this symbol?

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:WoW! pret powerful stuff!!...even though the symbol was in Maureen's book, did you know who was the original writer of this symbol?

It was standard typeset. (It was like any hanzi that you would see in a regular book in China, or kanji that you would see in a regular book in Japan.) Does that answer the question you're raising? I'm not quite sure of what you're asking here.

Bruce

Milarepa wrote:

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:

The symbols acted as a catalyst to open up to Reiki, after the attunements we don't 'need' to draw the symbols..it is enough to say let the reiki flow.....

The reason you saying 'let the Reiki flow' works is cause when you say it, sub-consciously the dormant symbols are activitated.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
and even then that isn't quite accurate, because we are always reiki, and it is always flowing......only within a healing context we are focused on allowing it to flow for the specific needs of another.... that said i do play with the symbols.....but Rarely draw them when healing......but I have had certain symbols appear to me whilst healing and have then gone on to draw that symbol in my minds eye....

Reiki as in the energy, is & isn't the symbols. In their own right, the symbols carry the power/ability for the permament connection. As well as mnany other things.

A reliance on the symbols is just as much missing the point with them, as discarding them is. Using the symbols, interactign with them, but not feelings it's required to, is the way to go, imo.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
I also went to a Reiki share once and got a big long symbol directed at me from the Reiki master holding the share ( saw this in my minds eye- we were topping and tailing a client at the time)
I thought she was a bit cheeky directing this thing my way.....It wasn't a symbol I recognise fromUsui Reiki.....
#
I think I mentioined on another thread I think we all find our own way of working with the symbols in Reiki...my way is certainly one which is becoming less nd less attached...

Back to my previous point. non-attachment doesn';t mean abstaining. They're tow different things.

Warmest wishes
Wayne

yep no arguement from me there on your last point, but I disagree with your first point.... I don't think symbols hidden in my energy centres, or where ever the heck they are meant to be.....are activated upon conscious or subconscious request...

for me at least , my Reiki attunements opened me up more to higher/deeper dimensions I already had access to.. I'd already been involved in healing for a few good years before I came across reiki..... my reiki attunements merely deepened my experience.... sometimes I just feel completely filled up in every cell of my being with this loving, healing, transformative force....and this isn't due to any subconsious or conscious request on my part....its just simply the way it is..It's like we are open to Reiki fields all the time...there is nothing dormant about it....Reiki is like Divine love to me....it's always there but now we can swim in it, bathe in it and be transformed by it.... I've had some prety powerful experiences on the spiritual front over the last 15 years or so....and each one of them simply expand upon the previous...

please don't misunderstand my thoughts regarding the symbols Wayne, there is clearly more to them than meets the eye, third an all..... I have meditated on the symbols and have played about with in all manner of ways you wouldn't believe!!

my latest play with them was at my tai chi class on wednesday.......again we did the standing meditation ( which is supposed to be good for me, but feels like slow torture!! ahahahah)and my arms ( not to mention my thighs) were absolutely killing me. holding them infront of my heart with my elbows outstreched......so I took it upon myself to prop my arms up with a coupl of CKR's ahaha I drew the symbols under my arms reaching from the floor with the flat line on top as arm rests...it worked great for a while then it all went to cock and the pain came back!

Bruce wrote:

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:WoW! pret powerful stuff!!...even though the symbol was in Maureen's book, did you know who was the original writer of this symbol?

It was standard typeset. (It was like any hanzi that you would see in a regular book in China, or kanji that you would see in a regular book in Japan.) Does that answer the question you're raising? I'm not quite sure of what you're asking here.

Bruce

yes that answers my question, what I was curious about was whether what you had seen was copied as in photograpic form ,frorm a symbol written by a deeply spiritually awakened personality....

Milarepa wrote:

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:

Milarepa wrote:During initiation, the symbols are placed within us. Not over us, to the side, etc, but within. A look at any common initiaton procedure shows this, . It's not my belief, interpretation, point of view, it's reading plain english, .

eah I know that what everyone says....but do you believ that you now have the 'symbols' implanted into your subtle energy system that will be there for ever??

yes, . Why is there the assumption that they disapear? Why should they not stay forever? It explains many things in Reiki.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
To me the symbols were like energetic keys to energetic locks......the 'placing' was more of fitting the correct key into the correct lock and opening hat gateway/door....This is my view..I have never done an attunement and have not been taught this.....but I certainly don't feel like anything has been energetically implanted..

Even if you learn the attunments most probably hav'nt a clue why they do them! Not many care to find out why they place this symbol here, or that symbol there. Since Reiki teachers hardly know anything about the Reiki initiations from the very word go, it's not suprising they can't see past the end of their nose wiht the logic 'only conscious action dictate Reiki'.

Not directing that at you, since you're not a teacher! BTw, any feelings on whe if efver you'd take the plunge?

Warmest wishes
Wayne

I think it is appalling that any teacher wouldn't want to know why they 'place' symbols where they do....this would bother me greatly.. I don't exactly like the idea of messing with anyones energy field anyway........and to do it consciously and not know the hows and whys and wheres of what you are doing is madness to me..

that aside, I just haven't come across the right person to take me to that level yet....I love my reiki master and have great respect for her, but I know that even she isn't the right person for me for that level.....I guess it will be one of those.......'when the student is ready 'things....I don't know, but to be in a postion to open up people to the Reiki fields... ( this is my new expression ahahah) is a huge responsibility and a great gift......i would want to be taught how to do that in the best way, the thought has been out there for a few years from me now.....when it hits the appropriate teacher, it'll resonate back.... I'm in no rush

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:

Bruce wrote:

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:WoW! pret powerful stuff!!...even though the symbol was in Maureen's book, did you know who was the original writer of this symbol?

It was standard typeset. (It was like any hanzi that you would see in a regular book in China, or kanji that you would see in a regular book in Japan.) Does that answer the question you're raising? I'm not quite sure of what you're asking here.

Bruce

yes that answers my question, what I was curious about was whether what you had seen was copied as in photograpic form ,frorm a symbol written by a deeply spiritually awakened personality....

Ah, I see. No, it was the mass-market version. But that's probably why I was able to read it; heh, heh.

Bruce

fair enough heck of an experience though.....!

Hi Sharon,

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
but I disagree with your first point.... I don't think symbols hidden in my energy centres, or where ever the heck they are meant to be.....are activated upon conscious or subconscious request...

for me at least , my Reiki attunements opened me up more to higher/deeper dimensions I already had access to.. I'd already been involved in healing for a few good years before I came across reiki..... my reiki attunements merely deepened my experience.... sometimes I just feel completely filled up in every cell of my being with this loving, healing, transformative force....and this isn't due to any subconsious or conscious request on my part....its just simply the way it is..It's like we are open to Reiki fields all the time...there is nothing dormant about it....Reiki is like Divine love to me....it's always there but now we can swim in it, bathe in it and be transformed by it.... I've had some prety powerful experiences on the spiritual front over the last 15 years or so....and each one of them simply expand upon the previous...

I'm trying to get the words to put this across without it seeming flippant, cause it's not. Ok, i've got a freindly smile on my face, providing a point... ...

Cause you don't see the symbols activated, cause you don't know they're activated sub-consciously (else it's not sub-conscious), and cause you've not recieved Master initiation not to mention chose to study the process more in-depth, of course i see why you say this. I did too, and my words dont' and shouldn't be accepted, folks should go look themselves (whenever they're ready), and see if this asshole writing this is wrong .

'What Reiki is' is interesting in itself, (didn't someone ask that here once, hehe). In spiritual empowerments, where there's a lineage, what's passed on can be said to be something 'all encompassing' but not. It's flavoured by the person passing it on. So, we trace our lineage back to where it all began, and it's flavoured with all those peoples expereince/ability, right to Usui sensei. And it's his expereince/understanding/ability of the divine that we recieve.

For it to be solely between myself & God, i gotta have an independant experience, free from a platform such as Usui Reiki. I know a lot of folks are maybe gonna get up in arms bout that, but it's how spiritual empowerments work, imo.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
my latest play with them was at my tai chi class on wednesday.......again we did the standing meditation ( which is supposed to be good for me, but feels like slow torture!! ahahahah)and my arms ( not to mention my thighs) were absolutely killing me. holding them infront of my heart with my elbows outstreched......so I took it upon myself to prop my arms up with a coupl of CKR's ahaha I drew the symbols under my arms reaching from the floor with the flat line on top as arm rests...it worked great for a while then it all went to cock and the pain came back!

Trying new things, you're following in great footsteps. Usui sensei took different things, and amalgamated them into Usui Reiki.

warmest wishes
Wayne

Wayne, my master 'initiation' was in two parts I took the first part in which I received the master symbol......the second part was about passing on the attunements to others...

I respect your views and what you say, and your views may be echoed by everyone in the reiki community...but they are not my views... please stop trying to make me accept that you are correct! ahahah..I'm smiling too....but as I have said Wayne, i've done a fair bit of meditating on the symbols.... and i in no way think the way you do about them....lets just agree to have differentr views on this one, afterall we are all on our own individual journeys of discovery .....

and neither do I agree that the symbols provide us with 'usui's experience, undewrstanding, ability of the divine we receive'...... if that was the case then every single recipient of a usui reiki attunement would experience the exact same thing..... and we all know that most defibately isn't the case... I hold great respect for my lineages... ( I have two)... which both are traced back to usui... and there are times when I see us all connected via a thread of light which pierces us at the heart....I have 'seen' usui himself during a healig session...and was showered with some kinda celestial seed!! ahahah....I mentioned this on the old boards...... so please don't misunderstand my reverent connection to usui and my lineage........ but I just have a very different perspectiv on the symbols than you.....which is allowed you know!

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:Wayne, my master 'initiation' was in two parts I took the first part in which I received the master symbol......the second part was about passing on the attunements to others...

yeah, i know how it works, i had too. Recieving an attunment with the Usui Master symbol doesn't tell the student the in-depth concepts of a spiritual empowerment. heck as you & i've already explored, most Master training doesn't either.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
I respect your views and what you say, and your views may be echoed by everyone in the reiki community...but they are not my views... please stop trying to make me accept that you are correct! ahahah..I'm smiling too....but as I have said Wayne, i've done a fair bit of meditating on the symbols.... and i in no way think the way you do about them....lets just agree to have differentr views on this one, afterall we are all on our own individual journeys of discovery .....

My views aren't echoed by everyone, if they were they answers would be more easy, .

I guess i was trying to get you to accept my views last post when i said..

"and my words dont' and shouldn't be accepted, folks should go look themselves (whenever they're ready), and see if this asshole writing this is wrong . "

If someone tells us something and it's totally the opposite of our beliefs, if we decide to hold firmly to the ones we have, and disregard the oppposite information, we do ourselves a diservice. It happened to me before, and when i studied myself it was more about my ego. why else did i hold onto beliefs without investigating possible new avenues.

I know this for a fact cause it's happened to me often, particularly on Reiki4all. I remember my demonic possesion. Some took alternate views to my experience. Heck i was bloddy well there when it happened! They weren't! How the heck could they tell me protection wasn't needed in Reiki! My whole family was affected that weekend of activity! Still, there was one woman, whom i actually used to lock horns with regular there. She kept saying all she needed was Reiki. This was total crap! So i decided to go investigate this, and trust in the opposite words of a forum 'opposite'. Well, we both know she was right, we both know who it is, we both know i've never had a problem admitting i was wrong and publicly thanking her.

So maybe we can both see now that all of us don't know everything, that we can all bring something to the table, and that there's more growth through the sharing with friends and being open to see if there's anything in what they say.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
and neither do I agree that the symbols provide us with 'usui's experience, undewrstanding, ability of the divine we receive'...... if that was the case then every single recipient of a usui reiki attunement would experience the exact same thing..... and we all know that most defibately isn't the case...

I've already explained why this happens, . The Reiki experience is flavoured by every single person in our lineage. From Usui sensei onwards, each teacher in your lineage had in a part their own spiritual stamp on the collective experience being passed down. This is why there's a difference, but sometimes not so much in the same lineage.

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:
but I just have a very different perspectiv on the symbols than you.....which is allowed you know!

I've never said and never implied my own views on the symbols or anything else in Reiki is the only way to be. I've only had an issue with tieing in practices using Usui sensei's name. I've only ever hoped folks go check out whatever anyone was saying on here before disregarding it, though that can take time. It did for me taking your advice, .

If i wanted my own views i'd have started a blog. In-built to this forum is a one-click system where the forum automatically turns into a blog. The forum's kept as an open forum not cause i have to, but cause i want to. You can be sure as heck i want as many alternate views as possible on here. It's also why i have my quote about Hinduism on my forum profile, , so i wouldn't feel the need to re-clarify my intentions for ever posting on here, hehe. I can see i've made myself still feel the need!

Kinda interesting, without naming exactly who, i get emails from a certain Reiki forum group. I'm calling it a forum in the loosest possible way. The woman in charge does'nt allow any dis-information on it. That is, information she views as wrong. The website has over 1500 members, if that's what it takes to make a forum so popular i guess we'll always be exclusive then.


This comment isn't about you, but a general thought..

There's no chance of growth without an open mind, and comfortability of being wrong in a view. This is were forums can go wrong. If it's all about one person being right, it's all ego. RLL is about sharing views. We share views cause none of us know it all, every day we share our views we learn. The more the views are different than our own, the better. The idea of the forum was to have a comfortable place where we can run off ideas/concepts at one another. They never need to be accepted there & then, but it's always been my hope that folks will go check it out, then when they've explored the views, trust their own more educated judgment. Then if the chat comes up again, that person could give us an even more educated perspective. We all have a better chance of learning even more then. I can't see the point in having a forum any other way.

heck, 1500 other members must disagree!

warmest wishes
Wayne