Milarepa wrote:Before you were even initiated, you had an expereince with the master symbol. Has this expereince/feeling ever been 'replicated' or similar post-initiation?

The pre-initiation experience was a rush of energy that was overwhelming for about 20 minutes. I haven't had similar experience with reiki energy since then. Previous and subsequent experiences with other energies have sometimes verged on overwhelming.

I'm thinking, if you had an experience pre-initiation it may be put down to a possible one-off, but if you have had similar expereinces/feelings post-initiation there might be the possibility of tieing all in together. It might lend weight (for me personally) that the symbols themselves have power.

I don't doubt that the symbols are linked to power. As for the nature of that link? I don't know. The rush of energy came after I read the master symbol. Previously, I'd seen it printed illegibly, and there wasn't any energy.

Bruce

Interesting topic Wayne, an echo of the lovely thoughts you ve been constantly rippling in this community with

symbols needed or not needed... "a question of fact" instead of a "question of Law"

reiki, as i have sensed it, is the spiritual signature of Usui Sensei, it triggers a like one in us too... but that one is our own, our specific, our personal id of our own spirituality.... by a very generous note, Usui Sensei was very kind enough to 'hand over' the 'effects' of his spirituality to rest of the folks...


he invented symbols ? no, he didnt! but yes, he actually DID! he supercharged some characters, some symbols, some kanji characters to be 'programmed' with his spirituality... and this programming was aimed to sustain even after his death....

when we invoke symbols, what we do ? do we call the nascent powers of the symbols ? i doubt that... we actually invoke some channel that connects us to spirituality of Usui, symbols act as a bridge though... only since Usui had intended them to act as a bridging device.... had he not intended them to be so, symbols were already meant for spiritual things, but not for reiki...


so, symbols are needed, in a way to make us involved in the process... the feeling of 'we are doing something' greatly satisfies our ego... and so we feel that when we use symbols we have 'actively' done something to make the reiki flowing... having that said, symbols are doing something we dont care to realize... they are 'initiating' the bridge to Usui Sensei...


when we are connected to Usui, we are connected to a great force.... and then onward, our own spirituality gets triggered, our own healing energy (or whatever we can call them) come in swift action...


when we treat a patient, or give reiki to somebody, we are ourselves working like 'human symbols' we are connecting the patient to a spiritual force that has a signature of Usui, and once connected, whatever healing occurs, is the result of that persons' own healing ability... although we are very proud of ourselves often, that we were the key reason to bring about that healing...

Connection is the key, we are being used as gadgets in the process.. but since we practitioners bring about the connection by using the 'connecting powers' of the symbols, all is a great apparatus in its own right too!


merit if i compare Usui's system to other spiritual systems too... in every part of the world, we find (or dont find) people who have been gifted with great spiritual attire... sects, religions, techniques aside... every spritual leader 'initiates' us into a system... what this intiation is ? does he pour something into our soul, does he feeds us with energies ? i think that might be a good thing to keep content with... but i dare say, he actually triggers our own faculties to something we were not previously cognizant of... a guru, a saint, a spiritual teacher... hands over the 'clues' to us (telling us or not) of how to approach and utilize what is already within us....


in doing so, the teacher, the guru, or whatever we call him, invents techniques, invents systems, etc. to make us feel 'included'... but these things are just to initiate us, not to complete us... we seldom get completed from outside, we get to completion within ourselves..

a famous quote from indian culture

"mann bheetar, mann murshad" (lit : guru lives within us)

but of course we need to get introduced to our inner guru only with the help of our outer guru...



homage, tribute and great respects for all the gurus! i have bowed neck for them, always !!

take care

salman

and now, speicifically on your topic in focus Wayne

Milarepa wrote:We all know those times when we speak, write, think about Reiki and that all too familiar warmth/tingling begins to form in our hands. Perhaps some of us also experience this around loved ones, or folks we feel some kinda connection to? Maybe even some of us might mention we experience this with strangers in the street? In all these expereinces they seem very spontaneous, and we could be forgiven for thinking that there's in fact some outside 'force' generating either for ourself or others.

without affecting the generality of the foregoing, i have to say that reiki process starts moments before our active or physical mind feels it has started... everyone here might have noticed it... the 'outside force' here, in my view, is our realization and the perception of the moment which is housed in state of connection... the moment we can approach the moment of connectedness, we can feel that we were already connected

Milarepa wrote:
There's another explanation, which goes to the very core concept of what we, spiritually minded folks are all about...

Consciously, when we decide to create Reiki we wish it so in our minds, and then enact a technique. Part of the process is missing though. There must be something else going on that is enabling our intent to work in this way. Something is obviously happening sub-consciously. It's that that this post is focusing on.

What if this sub-conscious process was totally to do with us also? If we talk, write, think about Reiki are we not also doing something on a sub-conscious level? Of course! We're connecting to the Reiki expereince by the very actions we're doing.

i have felt it by experience too.... i remember sharing on this site somewhere, that we draw powers not only from symbols but from the words, from experiences, from spiritual climate, from people's sharing, etc. etc. (and joining this with the views i have spoken in the previous reply, we would feel that all these actions are basically 'entraining' us to something else.. exactly, borrowing the concepts of QT here)...


so when we talk about reiki, we un-doubtfully experience reiki too... since we are already connected....

Milarepa wrote:
That's all fine & well Wayne, but how come i feel the sensations around my loved ones, pets, etc? Easy. It's cause we feel love for them. Love's has long been known to greatly accentuate energy therapy, there's a clear connection.

"Ok, maybe, so how do you explain when i'm standing in the street and i feel these sensations also, with no-one around but strangers?". 'Spiritual progress' baby! Hehe. You're most likely (either that moment or on-going) have got rid of all your hang-ups and are expereincing a moment when you're realising in your core being of the connection you have to ALL beings! Next stop, realsing truely you are all beings. ding-ding, all aboard!

tbh, i'm not following exactly what you have said here Wayne.. but whatever i can understand is that you are probably referring to the phase of self-actualization (or some semblance ov it) in a state of self-actualization, we feel its only 'me' who exist, and all the other existence is infact a relative existence by virtue of our own existence...

obviously, such phrases are so 'ego-marked' at the apparent, but i can well feel, that a person who feels so has already has rid off un-necessary egotism to marr any false perception...

it seems quite contradictory, but it aint


might not be off-topic to say here that when we start in spiriutality, we see the universe around us wiht our own eyes, and as we go along, a time comes when we start seeing universe (and also ourselves) with a newly-acquired set of universal eyes

that moment we exactly know the 'realm' that has always been defining our boundaries, and why do we exactly know it ? since we have learnt how to see our realm by sitting outside it

Milarepa wrote:
Reiki doesn't have to be 'gave' to us, or 'sent', or 'pulled' by some intelligent force. It can easily be all down to us and our own divinity.

sits well with the thought in my previous reply

Milarepa wrote:
One last note, just cause we're having sensations, doesn't mean anyone else is, or should. I'm having them now, doesn't mean i should create Reiki for all reading this, .

i disagree "all reading this" has to be categorized between those who have been initiated and those who have yet to be... for the former, 'reading this' is sure a moment of being reiki (actively or passively), and for the later, 'reading this' (might be) a moment of discovery

your 'warmest wishes' are warmly welcome dear Wayne

take care bro

salman

Hi buddy,

Lambs-Wool wrote:

Milarepa wrote:
That's all fine & well Wayne, but how come i feel the sensations around my loved ones, pets, etc? Easy. It's cause we feel love for them. Love's has long been known to greatly accentuate energy therapy, there's a clear connection.

"Ok, maybe, so how do you explain when i'm standing in the street and i feel these sensations also, with no-one around but strangers?". 'Spiritual progress' baby! Hehe. You're most likely (either that moment or on-going) have got rid of all your hang-ups and are expereincing a moment when you're realising in your core being of the connection you have to ALL beings! Next stop, realsing truely you are all beings. ding-ding, all aboard!

tbh, i'm not following exactly what you have said here Wayne..

What i'm suggesting is that something is going on within us in a sub-conscious way, which is why we feel Reiki sensations at spontaneous times. and that love and our spiritual progress is interconnected to this.

If we can begin to be open to the idea of things within Reiki going about in a sub-conscious way, it opens the possibility of many things happening which we aren't immediately aware of, .

Lambs-Wool wrote:

Milarepa wrote:
One last note, just cause we're having sensations, doesn't mean anyone else is, or should. I'm having them now, doesn't mean i should create Reiki for all reading this, .

i disagree "all reading this" has to be categorized between those who have been initiated and those who have yet to be... for the former, 'reading this' is sure a moment of being reiki (actively or passively), and for the later, 'reading this' (might be) a moment of discovery

your 'warmest wishes' are warmly welcome dear Wayne

take care bro

salman

I'm being mis-understood, . Folks whom think it's ok to treat a stranger in the street (for example) with Reiki cause they feel sensations spontaneously in their hands is what i was referring to. My point being, just cause i'm feeling sensations in my hands right now, doesn't mean it's ok for me to treat you right now, or anyone else who may be readin this. Feelings sensations in our hands can mean many things, and an assumption doesn't make anything correct. .

I wish id' more time to chat with your two great posts more buddy, but i'm opening a self defence school at the weekend so am pushed for time.

Take care
Wayne

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:ever offered Reiki without using the symbols and compared yours and the recipients experience?

I like to use lots of different things to raise the vibration and direct the energy, the symbols are wonderful we love the symbols & they give us the direct indication from the founder that this energy works in that manner and relates wonderfully to tools such as sacred text, in much the same way other healers work with sacred geometrics. It would be a common belief that he channeled every aspect of Reiki and the symbols were divinely passed onto him for exactly the purpose we use them. I thinks it’s just wonderful to experiment with many different thing as you channel, I learn every time I heal, I think one thing to sure the learning is as vast as the universe herself.
many blessings xxx

Hi Dharma,
slightly off-topic, i think i read you're into crystals? I'm researching some stuff to do with erm, religion, anthropology, that kinda thing and a person spokje bout lapis lazuli. I've used it beofre, quite some time ago (for what i thought was to do with protection), but the documentary implied it was integral with spiritual development. I'm not really asking for the qualites it may have, but more have you had any cool expereinces/benefits with it?

Warmest wishes
Wayne

P.S. if the chat develops i can split this topic for us, .

Milarepa wrote:Hi Dharma,
slightly off-topic, i think i read you're into crystals? I'm researching some stuff to do with erm, religion, anthropology, that kinda thing and a person spokje bout lapis lazuli. I've used it beofre, quite some time ago (for what i thought was to do with protection), but the documentary implied it was integral with spiritual development. I'm not really asking for the qualites it may have, but more have you had any cool expereinces/benefits with it?

Warmest wishes
Wayne

P.S. if the chat develops i can split this topic for us, .

It is a stone I have worked with a little, & I do find it quite magical crystal, it is said that it has been around since the dawn of time, when we think all that which a crystal can record how many secrets are held with these stones!….but also they help us to find our tongue, & bearing in mind our fascination with crystals since the dawn of our time… have such stones helped to develop our speech……

It is a wonderful aid to help connect with spirit to help make that connection with our guides, it somehow creates a bridge between realms, not that all guides have lived an earth bound existence, but for those that have, the familiar and ancient energy of the stone helps to bring a wonderful connection. Its wonderful to meditate with it will allow you to strengthen your intuition but remain grounded and leaving plenty space for your own opinions and analysis.

And yes it is a wonderful protector!
I feel it to be a wonderful stone for you to work with.
many blessings

Milarepa wrote:Hi buddy,


What i'm suggesting is that something is going on within us in a sub-conscious way, which is why we feel Reiki sensations at spontaneous times. and that love and our spiritual progress is interconnected to this.

If we can begin to be open to the idea of things within Reiki going about in a sub-conscious way, it opens the possibility of many things happening which we aren't immediately aware of, .

well, interestingly, the term sub-conscious mind is more relevantly used by psychology folks rather than spirituality students... i have sometimes reservation with our commonly spoken term 'sub-conscious mind'... if it were taken in the meanings of a 'passive-mind' in contrast to our active/working mind, then its okay for me to import that stance here, but if we speak of sub-conscious mind as a seperate, intricate, distinct identity compared to our working/active mind, then i have to find reasons for that usage for myself


the things which are not accessible readily by our active mind, have one category left to be placed within and that is "the unknown sphere", and it might not help us in spirituality if we keep sticking to the difference between unconcious mind and sub-conscious mind for me, the better substitute might be something like universal mind, mass consciuosness, etc., etc., much after carl jung ! instead of freudian school.

Milarepa wrote:

I'm being mis-understood, . Folks whom think it's ok to treat a stranger in the street (for example) with Reiki cause they feel sensations spontaneously in their hands is what i was referring to. My point being, just cause i'm feeling sensations in my hands right now, doesn't mean it's ok for me to treat you right now, or anyone else who may be readin this. Feelings sensations in our hands can mean many things, and an assumption doesn't make anything correct. .

okay, returning to topic ( i m sorry for the dirvert tbh), if we feel like warmth (of reiki) or something else for somebody completely stranger, it might be having multiple connotations... no doubt, it is sometimes a sign of supersensitivity ( pardon egotism) if we sometime feel like 'we should send reiki to somebody, since we feel that buddy needs it'... it might be so very true that that stranger might need that... and that our instincts were not misleading us in that sensation, but otherwise could be many other possibilities also...


referring to the bold portion of above quoted segment, we approach within our consciousness only a small portion of most realities, and the rest is sure happening on its own way... and i feel that there is quite a logic in our inability of not so sensing the metaphysical realities ab initio...

had humankind always been able to sense metaphysical, why and where would have been so phenomenal growth of our science ??

take care Wayne


many wishes for the success of your new endavours buddy!



salman

Just a quick note buddy, i gotta go out buy some new prayer bead.

Yeah, course i'm talking bout what goes on which we're not aware of, so it's fine to use whatever words feels best for you to describe it, . Since when i create the expereince of Reiki a part of me is doing it consciously, i'm also suggesting (cause of the symbols being placed inside me & being active) that there's stuff going on i'm not consciously aware of. Something must pre-empt my conscious intent to enable that intent to manifest.

Warmest wishes
Wayne

hmmm I need to com back here when sober and less spinny headed!!

thank God, cause i w sn't gonna reply to you incase i offended you since you been drinking,

so many things been written since I last posted....( not the drunk post)

I find the use of the symbols a fascinating thing... I certainly don't feel like the symbols have been placed 'inside' me in anyway.... ( If a clairvoyant was to take a look inside my energy field I don't think she/he is gonna see 4 symbols embedded in there)...and quite frankly that thought appalls me...but their use in my attunement process was a beautiful awakening and opening of my heart....I think there will come a time in the future when the same spiritual awakenings and opening to healing will be possible without the use of these symbols, via attunements....will it still come under the label of Reiki even if the activations and openings are the same ?? I'm guessing many of you would think not.

So to get back to the symbols being 'needed'. yes for attunements, but not 'needed' after that for healing although of course many of us use them and some give them great reverence... I don't.

During initiation, the symbols are placed within us. Not over us, to the side, etc, but within. A look at any common initiaton procedure shows this, . It's not my belief, interpretation, point of view, it's reading plain english, .

Milarepa wrote:

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:These experiences just reaffirm the fact that we don't 'need' the symbols to 'generate' Reiki......

We don't need to 'draw' the symbols to experience Reiki. that's much different to we don't need the symbols to generate Reiki, imo. It's very topic related, if we don't see something we tend to assume it's not happening. What goes on sub-consciously is a major working in Reiki. .

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:ever offered Reiki without using the symbols and compared yours and the recipients experience?

There's loads of variables in this though. Depending on the client, and even the practitioners perspective. where the practitioner is in their acceptance/perception/understanding holds great effect. Going from experience. I initially felt that i could at will easily switch the different 'frequencies' of the symbols during treatmment (it initially was spontaneous) then I was lead to beleive by my Reiki peers that the symbols were'nt needed. So as i went along my Reiki journey the symbols actually literally felt they were getting in the way of the Reiki! They were obstructing it. So i know what you mean.

Then as i went further along the path, i realised there's , more to the symbols than i thought. I was discounting many of the answers to Reiki by setting aside the symbols. that much of the history, instructions, and knowledge of reiki is in them. with this came a change in perception, and it's key to Reiki. Something you & I resonate with is that if folks feel they need protection (possibly gettign attacked) then they'll view their reality like that. what you personally helped me with by your example was letting me see that you know for a fact divinity in the form of Reiki is enough. And it's true. Once i changed my perception, my Reiki world changed also. greater understanding of the depth of the stuff in the symbols also lead to greater depth of my perception, and experience in Reiki.

there's a key point i think you're underlying. The symbols aren't 'needed'. If we need something, latch onto it, then that ultimately gets in the way of things. If we go beyond that, surrender our 'need' for the symbols, then we can experience them with no attachment, so that even descriptive words like 'vital' don't carry the initial meaning most might attribute to it. It's sublties in spirituality that we know are hard to write about, but have to be experienced,

another interesting thing is that during my Reiki path i've felt the route of Reiki take 3 seperate ways. It used to be via the crown, it used to by from the Seika tanden, now it's from neither, hehe. This has coincided with my on-going understanding of Reiki. so perception dictates what we think is happening in Reiki.

Take care
Wayne

The symbols acted as a catalyst to open up to Reiki, after the attunements we don't 'need' to draw the symbols..it is enough to say let the reiki flow..... and even then that isn't quite accurate, because we are always reiki, and it is always flowing......only within a healing context we are focused on allowing it to flow for the specific needs of another.... that said i do play with the symbols.....but Rarely draw them when healing......but I have had certain symbols appear to me whilst healing and have then gone on to draw that symbol in my minds eye....

I also went to a Reiki share once and got a big long symbol directed at me from the Reiki master holding the share ( saw this in my minds eye- we were topping and tailing a client at the time)
I thought she was a bit cheeky directing this thing my way.....It wasn't a symbol I recognise fromUsui Reiki.....
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I think I mentioined on another thread I think we all find our own way of working with the symbols in Reiki...my way is certainly one which is becoming less nd less attached...

Milarepa wrote:During initiation, the symbols are placed within us. Not over us, to the side, etc, but within. A look at any common initiaton procedure shows this, . It's not my belief, interpretation, point of view, it's reading plain english, .

eah I know that what everyone says....but do you believ that you now have the 'symbols' implanted into your subtle energy system that will be there for ever??

To me the symbols were like energetic keys to energetic locks......the 'placing' was more of fitting the correct key into the correct lock and opening hat gateway/door....This is my view..I have never done an attunement and have not been taught this.....but I certainly don't feel like anything has been energetically implanted..