Thaak wrote:

But the question remains. If we are seeking oneness, and we understand (even if only on a logical rather than experiential level at first) that the oneness actually comes from within, rather than without; that there is no "other than us." Then what are the symbols really? If there is no "other than us?"

We experience the "other than us" constantly in this reality. To have certain sensory experiences it must be necessary to "not be one with everything". Oness is another level of perception as well as being.

Really, when you take it to another level there is no "within" or "without" if you truly believe in "oneness".

Levels Of Existance and Understanding =equals= I bet the symbols do not do exactly the same thing with everyone who attempts to use them.

Ya know...I`ve never really considered, if i feel that oneness and enlightenment to be exactly the same thing...hmmm. I`m thinking there is more to enlightenment than oneness...

Jim

if oneness is neither from within/without
then it does not exist. Oneness is the whole
part of existance. Oneness with the earth we
breath the life it gives and connect like a
wheel that meshes and intertwines the four
elements that make up our planet, earth,fire,
air,water. They appear to be separate yet
dependent on each other. The Reiki symbols are
one with the whole Reiki system

Oneness is with AND without, our self and non-self. It is our brain (or at least our understanding) that creates these artificial boundaries.

Even our own body, which appears to be a single thing is made from trillions of cells, each with their own little universe. Maybe we are cells, part of planet earth (or maybe parasites on the earth as a host?) and the earth and the galaxy are cells of the universe, which is a cell of an even greater universe and so on until we (maybe) reach the True One?

Reikijim wrote:

Thaak wrote:

But the question remains. If we are seeking oneness, and we understand (even if only on a logical rather than experiential level at first) that the oneness actually comes from within, rather than without; that there is no "other than us." Then what are the symbols really? If there is no "other than us?"

We experience the "other than us" constantly in this reality. To have certain sensory experiences it must be necessary to "not be one with everything". Oness is another level of perception as well as being.

Really, when you take it to another level there is no "within" or "without" if you truly believe in "oneness".

Levels Of Existance and Understanding =equals= I bet the symbols do not do exactly the same thing with everyone who attempts to use them.

Ya know...I`ve never really considered, if i feel that oneness and enlightenment to be exactly the same thing...hmmm. I`m thinking there is more to enlightenment than oneness...

Jim

Oneness is a conscious/spiritual 'attempt' to attain oneness...it is the act of opening up to the process... true oneness means no duality, means no existence, taking the term in its absolute potential.

the spiritual experiences where we have feeling ourselves like 'one' with universe is the travel of our perception and awareness to that... i take oneness as a merger with the whole.. of course, there is no 'within' and 'without', when oneness is achieved to its true degree... but how many of us can believe we ever had a trace of that ? (truly speaking!)

take care
salman

Hmm.. the theory of Oneness is quiet interesting and equally so confusing. So, not quiet sure where should I look for it ...maybe it is within or wait... it could be without...Or.. how about to experience it with the group of people where everybody does something and there is no boss-man and yet everything gets done.. Could this be called Oneness? Could I experience more of this each and every day just if I take care of my Ego? If there is not Me against Them? So, I wouldn't have to go and look for it “within” or “without” for it would be here and now...so I wouldn't be “alone” any more since that alone (with little bit twisting) would become all-one..

Take Care

rzukic wrote:Hmm.. the theory of Oneness is quiet interesting and equally so confusing. So, not quiet sure where should I look for it ...maybe it is within or wait... it could be without...Or.. how about to experience it with the group of people where everybody does something and there is no boss-man and yet everything gets done.. Could this be called Oneness? Could I experience more of this each and every day just if I take care of my Ego? If there is not Me against Them? So, I wouldn't have to go and look for it “within” or “without” for it would be here and now...so I wouldn't be “alone” any more since that alone (with little bit twisting) would become all-one..

Take Care

while reading your great oneness posting
Having no Boss reminded me of co-operation
I think our ego gets a bad rap. between the
id and superego the ego does a pretty good
job as our oneness gets pulled into balance
& harmony

Wow

Five excellent posts in a row. You folks say the most interesting things!!


Jim

Reikijim wrote:
Wow

Five excellent posts in a row. You folks say the most interesting things!!


Jim

reikijim
I always enjoy your responses
they are very insightful

Lambs-Wool wrote:

Oneness is a conscious/spiritual 'attempt' to attain oneness...it is the act of opening up to the process... true oneness means no duality, means no existence, taking the term in its absolute potential.

very, true. hehe, there's no longer individual integrity, making me wonder, am i really important, to me. if i'm not me, but i'm all, i'm wondering what way this would change my interactions with the world. it's quite interesting.

rzukic wrote:Hmm.. the theory of Oneness is quiet interesting and equally so confusing. So, not quiet sure where should I look for it ...maybe it is within or wait... it could be without...Or.. how about to experience it with the group of people where everybody does something and there is no boss-man and yet everything gets done.. Could this be called Oneness? Could I experience more of this each and every day just if I take care of my Ego? If there is not Me against Them? So, I wouldn't have to go and look for it “within” or “without” for it would be here and now...so I wouldn't be “alone” any more since that alone (with little bit twisting) would become all-one..

This is a great post! As confusing as oneness itself. so ya worte well here buddy! Many thanks for sharing!

warmest wishes
Wayne

I thought that some might enjoy watching this for it IMO fits nicely into our discussion here. It is amazing that if they numb our hand and we observe other person being touched that we would experience it as if we are touched as well...Is Oneness only concept than??

http://modernjedi.com/vs-ramachandran-the-neurons-that-shaped-civilization/

Regards,

Resko

Resko, that link does fit nicely with the concept of oneness and I found the talk to be fascinating.

Has anyone read (or browsed through) The Big Book of Reiki Symbols: The Spiritual Transition of Symbols and Mantras of the Usui System of Natural Healing by Mark Hosak? I have a copy, but admittedly have not had the time to open it.

For the moment here I thought I didn't. But than again it sounded so familiar. From some reasons I had it as it was by Walter Lubeck (one of my favorite Reiki Authors) and than it turns out that both are co-authors.

Regards,

Resko

An impressive talk. Thanks for sharing it.

Buck wrote:Resko, that link does fit nicely with the concept of oneness and I found the talk to be fascinating.

Has anyone read (or browsed through) The Big Book of Reiki Symbols: The Spiritual Transition of Symbols and Mantras of the Usui System of Natural Healing by Mark Hosak? I have a copy, but admittedly have not had the time to open it.

Yes, I have read that book. Very interesting in places but difficult at times to decide what is researched fact and what is Walter's "remeberances" from his time as a High Priest in Atlantis (or maybe Lemuria, I can't remember!)

Maybe we could move this into Recommended reading if you want to continue about this book?

rzukic wrote:I thought that some might enjoy watching this for it IMO fits nicely into our discussion here. It is amazing that if they numb our hand and we observe other person being touched that we would experience it as if we are touched as well...Is Oneness only concept than??

http://modernjedi.com/vs-ramachandran-the-neurons-that-shaped-civilization/

Regards,

Resko

Excellent - what a lot of information packed into a short talk!