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    Reports of Reiki causing harm

    Post by Thaak on Fri 27 Mar 2009 - 5:23

    Didn’t know if this fit under its own topic or if I should follow up on the “must read” thread.

    But here it goes:

    There have been many reports of research showing that Reiki causes harm when you try to use it for certain conditions. Such as Fibromyalgia or Cerebral Palsy.

    I don’t buy it. It is possible, however, that the person is in such a condition that they would experience a “healing crisis.” What is a healing crisis you might ask? Simple, it is when your body cannot handle the speed at which it tries to heal, and thus the symptoms, for a short time, appear to be worse. I would imagine that someone who has a very touchy (no pun intended) condition like Fibromyalgia, that any type of healing process might spark a crisis.

    Well, there is a technique that can help to alleviate this. It is called the Hucha-Miquay.

    Hucha is the Q’ero word for heavy and is used when referring to energy. Hucha is heavy energy.

    The Q’ero are a people descended from the Inca, who retreated to 15,000 to 18,000 feet in the Andes to escape the Spanish conquistadors about 700 years ago or so.

    I don’t remember what Miquay (sp?) stands for.

    Sami is light energy, or delicious energy.

    Heavy energy is that energy that our body cannot process.

    Light energy is that energy that feeds us.

    Too much, or more than we can handle or need, of light or Sami energy, can turn it into Hucha.

    The technique of Hucha Miquay uses the Hara, or Seiki Tanden, Dantien, or 2nd Chakra, whichever name you want to give it or philosophy you choose to abide.

    You have your client imagine that they are pulling the energy through the Hara and into their body. They use intent to send all Hucha or heavy energy, that which their body cannot handle, down through their Root Chakra and into the earth.

    You see, Mother Earth loves to mulch heavy energy. That is one source of her food.

    Simultaneously you have your client intend for all Sami or light energy, that which their body finds delicious, up to their crown. This may make them feel flighty or light headed after awhile, and that is when they know they have more Sami than they can handle.

    This can help someone only receive the amount of Reiki that is appropriate for them.


    Love and Light

    Andy

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    Post by Milarepa on Fri 27 Mar 2009 - 6:06

    Yeah, maybe the way your post progressed, it could be put into the 'healing, techniques & expereinces' section?

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    Post by Thaak on Fri 27 Mar 2009 - 6:30

    probably... chuckle...

    Will take me a bit to get used to all the options again.

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    Post by Dragonfly on Tue 7 Apr 2009 - 3:22

    This sounds like a great technique! I will definitely try it. Many of my clients (and I've even observed this with myself) tend to be somewhat "ungrounded" in their energy. This sounds like it could help a lot. I know that whenever I do bodywork that focuses on the first 3 chakras that I end up feeling a lot better - a lot "lighter." I do yoga and one of my teachers does a lot of work that focuses on those areas, which is so helpful to me.

    As far as healing crises go, I make sure to let my students and clients know what they may experience after a Reiki treatment. This way, they understand and learn to observe how the healing process is working within them. I went through a pretty profound healing crisis emotionally and spiritually after being attuned to Reiki, and had I not been told what to expect, I think I would have thought I was going crazy! Most people get the concept of "detoxing" because it's been touted so much lately in alternative healing circles, so if you put it to them in those terms they often get it. Then they don't see the temporary discomfort as"harmful." I have a client with several different autoimmune disorders (fibromyalgia, Reynauds) and is also a two-time breast cancer survivor. She just told me last week, "Whatever you did must have stirred up some stuff because my legs and feet have been complaining but let's keep working to get it all out of there!" So, she welcomes it as positive change.

    I work out of a chiropractic office and the doctors there are trained in typical subluxation-based chiropractic, but they also do a new chiropractic technique called Bio-geometric integration that is based on the principle of opening up energetic disconnections in the body by using the sacred geometry as a blueprint. It's pretty interesting stuff and I know it works because I get adjusted by them and a family friend who is also a chiropractor and sometimes only the BGI work in conjunction with an adjustment will release whatever I'm holding on to. Anyway, the chiropractors will tell you that pain is not a "bad" thing; it's how your body is communicating to you that there is an issue that needs attention. In fact, issues that are so deeply embedded that you don't even experience pain (such as chronic muscle spasms in your back that you don't feel until they are so bad they impinge upon a nerve) are more problematic than issues where you are feeling pain.

    Anyway, I could probably go on. As someone who lived for years with chronic pain, I can relate very closely to this issue and find that talking about my experience and understanding our relationship to pain and "symptoms" helps my clients connect in a more actionable way to theirs.

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    Post by thehungrycaterpillar on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 18:28

    Love this topic, bumping it to the top!

    What does Hucha and Sami feel like?
    Thanks,

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    Re: Reports of Reiki causing harm

    Post by Rlei_ki on Thu 11 Jun 2009 - 23:46

    Thaak wrote:
    The technique of Hucha Miquay uses the Hara, or Seiki Tanden, Dantien, or 2nd Chakra, whichever name you want to give it or philosophy you choose to abide....


    So what's the term in the language of the Q’ero then?
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    Post by Thaak on Fri 12 Jun 2009 - 8:36

    Rlei_ki wrote:
    Thaak wrote:
    The technique of Hucha Miquay uses the Hara, or Seiki Tanden, Dantien, or 2nd Chakra, whichever name you want to give it or philosophy you choose to abide....


    So what's the term in the language of the Q’ero then?
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    Not sure. My teacher, Christina Donnell (she was a student of Alberto Villoldo), does not speak Quechua. But they use a similar system to the 7 chakra's. She of course learned most of this through observation of the Quechua and training from Alberto.

    So that being said, the 2nd Chakra would probably be most correct.

    One of my Allyu (Quechua for group of students) has been training with Christina for 10 years and is in the process of getting married to a Q'ero (I guess he will be moving here to Minnesota.) I'll ask her and see if she knows.

    Christina has a lot of training in Zen Buddhism as well, and she uses the term Hara a lot.

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    Post by Reikijim on Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 16:07

    Thaak wrote:Didn’t know if this fit under its own topic or if I should follow up on the “must read” thread.

    But here it goes:

    There have been many reports of research showing that Reiki causes harm when you try to use it for certain conditions. Such as Fibromyalgia or Cerebral Palsy.

    I don’t buy it. It is possible, however, that the person is in such a condition that they would experience a “healing crisis.” What is a healing crisis you might ask? Simple, it is when your body cannot handle the speed at which it tries to heal, and thus the symptoms, for a short time, appear to be worse. I would imagine that someone who has a very touchy (no pun intended) condition like Fibromyalgia, that any type of healing process might spark a crisis.

    Well, there is a technique that can help to alleviate this. It is called the Hucha-Miquay.

    Hucha is the Q’ero word for heavy and is used when referring to energy. Hucha is heavy energy.

    The Q’ero are a people descended from the Inca, who retreated to 15,000 to 18,000 feet in the Andes to escape the Spanish conquistadors about 700 years ago or so.

    I don’t remember what Miquay (sp?) stands for.

    Sami is light energy, or delicious energy.

    Heavy energy is that energy that our body cannot process.

    Light energy is that energy that feeds us.

    Too much, or more than we can handle or need, of light or Sami energy, can turn it into Hucha.

    The technique of Hucha Miquay uses the Hara, or Seiki Tanden, Dantien, or 2nd Chakra, whichever name you want to give it or philosophy you choose to abide.

    You have your client imagine that they are pulling the energy through the Hara and into their body. They use intent to send all Hucha or heavy energy, that which their body cannot handle, down through their Root Chakra and into the earth.

    You see, Mother Earth loves to mulch heavy energy. That is one source of her food.

    Simultaneously you have your client intend for all Sami or light energy, that which their body finds delicious, up to their crown. This may make them feel flighty or light headed after awhile, and that is when they know they have more Sami than they can handle.

    This can help someone only receive the amount of Reiki that is appropriate for them.


    Love and Light

    Andy



    Thanks for this Thaak,

    It makes me think of an experience during a meditation. I would like to share this with you, to see what you make of it, because of the similarities noticed in your post.

    I asked to see my Sahasrara, and let go of the question. It took about another five minutes to quiet my mind to the point where I was still aware of my surroundings, barely, but had no thoughts. What i saw was amazing, but isn`t really why I write this.

    Instantaneously, I was aware of my Hara. I was made aware of it because energies were flowing into it from two different directions. The flow went from a dribble to ...HOLY COW, in a few seconds. Ihis was happening simultaneously, while i was viewing the chakra. The energy that was coming through my feet made my lower body, legs and feet especially, feel like they were magnetically locked to the floor. It really made me feel as if I could not lift my legs, a "no point in trying" realization.

    This energy was rising up through my lower body and spiraling around my tanden in a clockwise direction. At the same time , another energy was entering through my crown, traveling down through my body and spiraling around my tanden in the same direction as the heavier energies that were coming from below.The lower energy touched my tanden from the left, the other from the right.

    The energy from above felt light,euphoric, and for lack of a better term,..man...still to this day I cannot express some of the components I felt...


    The energetic sensation was so astounding that I view this event as the most amazing experience I`ve ever had in my life...almost...Can`t believe I`m speaking of it in a public forum, but I suppose through others i may gain a clearer understanding of the experience....Anyways...it`s very difficult in words to express the sensation...and it`s a little embarrassing, considering that the only idea that I`ve ever been able to come up with, to relate this to others is comparing it to what one me feel when one is, well...um...here it comes...pre orgasmic... That kind of euphoria, that kind of feeling of being on the edge of something, but at the same time not sexual at all.
    It lasted for possibly ten minutes. It was overwhelming and part of my brain was a little concerned, but not concerned enough to take control and shut it down. I will be awe-struck in this forever I believe, but there it is for what it`s worth....

    I had my level one Usui/Tibetan attunement about 5 hours before this happened...

    Any thoughts?

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    Post by Thaak on Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 17:22

    I will most certainly give you an in depth reply to this tomorrow. Right now, it is time for bed.

    But initially, all I can say is, wow... you have some of the most vivid experiences I've seen described.

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    Post by Colin on Tue 6 Oct 2009 - 22:18

    Reikijim wrote:

    Instantaneously, I was aware of my Hara. I was made aware of it because energies were flowing into it from two different directions. The flow went from a dribble to ...HOLY COW, in a few seconds. Ihis was happening simultaneously, while i was viewing the chakra. The energy that was coming through my feet made my lower body, legs and feet especially, feel like they were magnetically locked to the floor. It really made me feel as if I could not lift my legs, a "no point in trying" realization.

    This energy was rising up through my lower body and spiraling around my tanden in a clockwise direction. At the same time , another energy was entering through my crown, traveling down through my body and spiraling around my tanden in the same direction as the heavier energies that were coming from below.The lower energy touched my tanden from the left, the other from the right.

    The energy from above felt light,euphoric, and for lack of a better term,..man...still to this day I cannot express some of the components I felt...


    The energetic sensation was so astounding that I view this event as the most amazing experience I`ve ever had in my life...almost...Can`t believe I`m speaking of it in a public forum, but I suppose through others i may gain a clearer understanding of the experience....Anyways...it`s very difficult in words to express the sensation...and it`s a little embarrassing, considering that the only idea that I`ve ever been able to come up with, to relate this to others is comparing it to what one me feel when one is, well...um...here it comes...pre orgasmic... That kind of euphoria, that kind of feeling of being on the edge of something, but at the same time not sexual at all.
    It lasted for possibly ten minutes. It was overwhelming and part of my brain was a little concerned, but not concerned enough to take control and shut it down. I will be awe-struck in this forever I believe, but there it is for what it`s worth....

    I had my level one Usui/Tibetan attunement about 5 hours before this happened...

    Any thoughts?




    What an experience! Very Happy


    another energy was entering through my crown, traveling down through my body and spiraling around my tanden


    Any idea where Usui got the idea for the 1st shirushi (symbol)? Smile

    Looking at your experience in terms of Reiki and Sino-Japanese culture, it seems to me to be a vivid example of the mixing of Earth Ki (Chi Ki) and Heaven Ki (Ten Ki), which are usually described with similar qualities to those you mention (heavy, grounding earth ki and light, euphoric heaven ki).

    The Steine's relate the first symbol to earth ki and the second symbol to heaven ki and in their book, Japanese Art of Reiki, they offer non-Reiki exercises to help a person experience what these energies feel like. A third exercise mixes heaven and earth ki in the heart area to achieve an experience of Oneness, connection and compassion, which may be described as radiant bliss.

    Scott Shaw, in his book Samauri Zen, which is about the spiritual sword art of Iaido also offers exercises such as Chi no Kokyu (Breath of Earth), which involves exhaling into the earth and becoming locked to the ground, Ten no Kokyu (Breath of Heaven), which involves breathing energy from heaven and and Jin no Kokyu (Breath of Being) which involves becoming aware of the respiration taking place in your lungs. Interesting Iaido is descended from earlier sword arts such as yagyu shinkage ryu, of which Mikao Usui may (or may not!) have been a master. Smile

    Morihei Ueshiba, founder of Aikido (and possible acquaintance of Mikao Usui Smile ) said: “Blend the Heaven and Earth energy with that of your own, becoming life itself. As you calm down, naturally let yourself settle down in the hidden realm of the formless, returning to the heart of things”.

    In Shinto, the original nature revering philosophy/religion of Japan, the place of Man was in the centre, between Heaven and Earth, much the same way as the Miko, or female shaman is positioned between the Rain coming from Heaven and the Rice coming from the Earth in the traditional Kanji for Reiki.

    There seems to be a common theme here! Smile

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    Post by Pandora on Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 4:02

    Interesting.

    Shortly after my Level 3 attunement, I was doing a self-healing and went "out of it" for a short while. I came round finding myself in what can only be described as an orgasmic state, yet my hands were still in one of the chest positions. When I read up on this, the nearest I could find was the raising of the Kundalini, and I'm pretty sure that's what had happened because I was pretty well affected for days after. (My husband's good but not quite that good! Shocked )

    Around that time I invented a version of the violet breath (before I'd read about it), which involved bringing blue energy with Sei He Ki from the sky, red energy with Cho Ku Rei from the centre of the earth, and white energy with Dai Ko Myo from heaven and bathing in a violet aura. I still use that meditation.

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    Post by Milarepa on Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 11:34

    Colin wrote:

    Any idea where Usui got the idea for the 1st shirushi (symbol)? Smile



    Oh, i dunno, hehe. Wasn't it mentioned on this very forum something about Nao Hi, a topic a certain 'Colin' was involved in, whom actually quoted Deguchi. Smile


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    Post by Colin on Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 11:46

    Milarepa wrote:

    Oh, i dunno, hehe. Wasn't it mentioned on this very forum something about Nao Hi, a topic a certain 'Colin' was involved in, whom actually quoted Deguchi. Smile


    Maybe...I wish I could remember where it was though! Smile

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    Post by Milarepa on Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 11:59

    tried to find it for you, ther damn search doesn't seem to be working well, hehe. I posted in it, you did, James did. No sense going through my posts though, too many.

    here's a link.. btw, this is only a suggestion, nad like i say, we all spoke bout it here, so i can share this..

    http://www.aetw.org/reiki_symbolsP_naohi.htm


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    Post by Colin on Wed 7 Oct 2009 - 12:17

    Milarepa wrote:tried to find it for you, ther damn search doesn't seem to be working well, hehe. I posted in it, you did, James did. No sense going through my posts though, too many.

    here's a link.. btw, this is only a suggestion, nad like i say, we all spoke bout it here, so i can share this..

    http://www.aetw.org/reiki_symbolsP_naohi.htm


    Thanks, matey! I think I may have found what you are talking about in Q & A - Reiki Precepts topic around posts #24 #25 ish.

    And, yes, the search function on RLL sucks! Laughing

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