well put wayne...
i was almost tempted to say something assumptive on the relationship of taireido and reiki, but i shall refrain from doing so until i have studied and tried out the system further.

Have Great holidays everyone!!

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fshortt wrote:well put wayne...
i was almost tempted to say something assumptive on the relationship of taireido and reiki, but i shall refrain from doing so until i have studied and tried out the system further.

I feel the same bro. It'll take a bit of study before i can form an opinion either way, opening cursory indications are real good though! Gesuippe's been studying it for a couple if years in-depth i think, maybe before he went 'public' with his views maybe?

indeed it does seem so, after all he is encouraging us to study in-depth for a reason i presume



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Milarepa wrote:...but what's most exciting is that in the book on Taireido, we've got detailed first hand information from the founder. This gives us a unique insight into the general mindset of such spiritual founders, of Usui sensei's time...

Though one would hope that the 'general mindset' of other spiritual founders of the time did not involve petitioning the Emperor to commit the nation's military forces to wage a bloody war on Russia...

Jeepers!

Haha, well said James- it is very true, Tanaka does seem quite the patriot, or would it be better called nationalistic??

quite the political motivator.

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It may be inaccurate to speak of one person being influenced by another when they were contemporaries. The concept of "zeitgeist" tells us that certain things are only possible at certain times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist - follow the links too.

It may be, if one says for sure one influenced another, without research.

Zeitgeist is a general way of thinking or feeling of any period.

The similarities between TaiReido (when they happen), are very specific (and i'm moving slowly through the book, so havn't read it all). for instance the absent healing method taught by Takata sensei is wrote about in the Taireido book, almost exact. what can be got from this, is that a guy whom lived close to Usui sensei created a style which pre-dated Usui Reiki, and yet Usui Reiki taught a technique that's the same as it's forerunner.

Even with the Zeitgeist concept, it still potentially holds as much value for Reiki. If Taireido was a sign of Zeitgeist (spirit of the times), of course that Zeitgeist would influence Usui sensei, since he was a part of those times, .

Take care
Wayne

instead of influence, what about inspiration / like the conceptualisation of thought at a particular time and place will have effect on contemporaries, this is how we distinguish or categorise periods of history, art, culture etc. As for the time period in early 1900 Japan there seems to be a lot of similar conceptualisation and doctrines regarding "old-new/new-religious" founders - even when looking at another art like aikido - the founder had many similar thoughts to what can be seen in the religious/healing movements - or spiritualist movements of the time. Now is this based on its spiritual, cultural traditions of the nation, reflecting the contemporary and natural evolution of these? maybe someone more educated in these matters might help shed some light on (hint hint James).
Anyway, as Wayne said, it becomes hard to ignore when seeing some (quite a few) of the practises in Taireido are identical to the detail of what we have been taught in Reiki, this to me seems a bit more than "zeitgeist" to my eyes.
The two systems Taireido and Reiki are different, however it seems that taireido has in it "most" of the system and thought of Reiki (in great detail), and the major difference is where taireido goes off in other avenues that are not within the Reiki system.
From the Reiki perspective, i must also say that it has elements that are not included in Taireido, e.g hatsureiho etc.

I have only read the book twice and started practicing - and have not done more research on the subject of the linkage between the two systems, but it is too close to ignore the relationship between them, even if it is only coincidence and not conscious inspiration/influence from one to the other.

anyway, the above is of course personal speculation and in no way constitutes facts (apart from the fact that the two systems converge identical on some aspects).

wow not sure if i managed to make myself clear at all here - probably only making more confusion... hehe

at any rate i find this highly exiting and rewarding study in terms of my understanding and practice of Reiki.



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fshortt wrote:
From the Reiki perspective, i must also say that it has elements that are not included in Taireido, e.g hatsureiho etc.

(slightly off-topic here i'm gonna go, apologies)

That's if Hatsurei ho was taught by Usui sensei. It certainly wasn't taught by Takata sensei. Resurfacing via Hiroshi & the Hikkei.

Personally, i went from an avid practitioner of Hatsurei (it'd make up half my daily practice), to not using it at all. I felt (and feel) it could very well not have been a part of Usui Reiki (i'd begun it via the 'originality' peers). I do it now, not as part of Usui Reiki, just as a part of my experience of Reiki. Cause i can have that divine experience on the toilet, if i go about it right, hehe. Just don't ask for those hand placments!

BTW, i'm real pleased to see a validation in at least something Takata sensei taught. The Taireido absent healing technqiue is too close to dismiss Usui sensei not being inspired/infleunced. It's likely (to me) that this helps show Takata sensei passed that technqiue down as tsught. I hope the more i read the book, i'll come across more similarities. Hehe, so i can take great pleasure in mentioning the correlation between it & Takata sensei's taught Usui Shiki Ryoho.

indeed, but i thought i had to mention it to give fair game - if you ignore the 'originality peers' as you call it, then there is not much from reiki that one can not find in taireido.
sorry, the precepts are not in taireido, nor are the hand positions, ok strike the hatsureiho and include the precepts and hand positions instead to my last post



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i'm curious Frank, i've not read the book fully, and won't for some time, i'm pondering over whether to read a couple pages a day only, to digest it all. Have you came across any other techniques that are similar in Reiki?

even the meaning 'Tairei', could be suggested to be similar to Dai Ko Myo? With the emanation of God/Tairei called Reishi, could this be the same as the expereince of the similar sounding 'Reiki'?

Read up until the treating disease, then continue after, as the treatment of disease is like the Hikkei with different hand positions to treat different disorders, like that you will get through the work quite fast.
Although there is good hints and references through the treatment section also.
Internal Reishi development and practice is very Reiki like
Think the "Ryu" method is very similar to the mental/emotional - treating habits method in reiki.
also talks about once a person has mastered the external and internal reishi he/she can pass the gift on to others.
and i agree the taireido concept is very much like dai ko myo, and reishi to reiki
there is beaming the energy across a room or from one room to the next.
will have a proper think about it and make a list that i see as similarities or identical to reiki within the next days hopefully

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Rick Rivard has mention of Taireido on his site at:
http://www.threshold.ca/reiki/origins2.html

Apparently the founder of Taireido was involved in necromancy to some degree.

fshortt wrote:
will have a proper think about it and make a list that i see as similarities or identical to reiki within the next days hopefully

Excellant!

Buck wrote:Rick Rivard has mention of Taireido on his site at:
http://www.threshold.ca/reiki/origins2.html

Apparently the founder of Taireido was involved in necromancy to some degree.

I'm wondering out loud, is what Rick saying (depending on his source) the original meaning of necromancy (spiritual summoning like protection/advice) or, the newer demonic meaning. The former could come under the experience of Reiki maybe?

Then again, so could the latter, depending on whom is asked!