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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by stonetemplar on Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:22 am

    Hi James!

    ReiShi (spirit-force or spiritual action) is 霊子

    ReiYu (fusion with the spirit) is 霊融

    P.S. also Fumio Ogawa mentioned Tanaka Morihei as a precursor of Reiki

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by chi_solas on Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:55 am

    Great educational thread study


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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by Rlei_ki on Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:15 am

    stonetemplar wrote:Hi James!

    ReiShi (spirit-force or spiritual action) is 霊子


    Yes, I'm familiar with the written form of 'Reishi' - it is the remainder of the particular sentence I'm interested in. Specifically the kanji used where it is explained that the term Reishi can be understood as 'spiritual force'



    stonetemplar wrote:
    ReiYu (fusion with the spirit) is 霊融


    Thanks!

    stonetemplar wrote:
    P.S. also Fumio Ogawa mentioned Tanaka Morihei as a precursor of Reiki


    In the copy of Ogawa's book I have, he mentions a Tanaka Daiseido as having used the term Reiki Ryoho, prior to Usui sensei doing so , though there is no mention of Tanaka Morihei or of Taireido

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by stonetemplar on Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:58 am

    In the copy of Ogawa's book I have, he mentions a Tanaka Daiseido as having used the term Reiki Ryoho, prior to Usui sensei doing so , though there is no mention of Tanaka Morihei or of Taireido


    Hi James! I think that "Tanaka Daiseido" could be "Tanaka's Taireido".

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by fshortt on Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:27 am

    Good to have you all on-board on the discussion -as you guys always provide good info Smile

    Giuseppe & James, thanks a million. I am always humbled by your input and vast knowledge on the subject, and having two experts discuss openly is a goldmine for all.

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by Rlei_ki on Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:48 am

    stonetemplar wrote:Hi James! I think that "Tanaka Daiseido" could be "Tanaka's Taireido".


    This is of course a possibility (the quality of translation in the English version of Ogawa's book is poor to say the least), however I do not think this is so.

    The reference to Tanaka Daiseido is as follows:

    "When Reiki Ryoho Began?
    In the modern times, Tanaka Daiseido first used this method for medical treatment. However, Mr. Tanaka ended off this method by himself. Next, Choso Mikao Usui of the Nihon Reiki Gakkai, to which we belong, appeared."

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by Milarepa on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:13 pm

    Rlei_ki wrote:
    Milarepa wrote:...but what's most exciting is that in the book on Taireido, we've got detailed first hand information from the founder. This gives us a unique insight into the general mindset of such spiritual founders, of Usui sensei's time...


    Though one would hope that the 'general mindset' of other spiritual founders of the time did not involve petitioning the Emperor to commit the nation's military forces to wage a bloody war on Russia...

    silent


    i've read a little bit about this tonight. that he was indeed a nationalist, and he did petition the Emporer in 1903 to wage the war on Russia. Which incidentally made him famous.

    What i read, was he didn't have his spiritual expereince till 1905, after a 90 day fast. If this is true, he mightn't have actually been a spiritual founder when he wanted war? notwithstanding he still kept his interest in politics.

    source: http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110007010581/en .

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by stonetemplar on Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:59 pm

    Finally I have translated the article "TO THE ROOTS OF REIKI RYŌHŌ... Morihei Tanaka and the doctrine of Taireido (太霊道)" in correct ENGLISH!

    Here is the link (you can also download it in PDF format):

    http://www.reikitradizionale.it/altre_pagine/taireido_eng.html

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by Milarepa on Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:29 am

    Many thanks Gesuippe! Great Sunday morning reading with a cup of tea!


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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by fshortt on Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:32 am

    stonetemplar wrote:
    In the copy of Ogawa's book I have, he mentions a Tanaka Daiseido as having used the term Reiki Ryoho, prior to Usui sensei doing so , though there is no mention of Tanaka Morihei or of Taireido


    Hi James! I think that "Tanaka Daiseido" could be "Tanaka's Taireido".


    I am not sure it is, i have found some stuff on Tanaka Daiseido - but can´t find the link now... will post it asap - however it is still possible, as if i remember correct the info on "Tanaka Daiseido" was kind of vague.

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by stonetemplar on Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:00 pm

    I'm very happy to have inspired (somehow) the creation of the book "Usui's Teacher-The Writing of Tanaka" (forewords and footnotes: Frank Shortt and Allan Sweeney).
    I was sure that my discovery would have been important developments!
    Hey fshortt: I hope that you have mentioned me somewhere in the book! Very Happy
    Very soon I will publish a book on the writings of Tanaka in Italian Language!
    Congratulations and best wishes!
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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by Colin on Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:42 pm


    Lineage of Usui back to Tanaka Confirmed!
    - Usui's Teacher webpage


    Really?!!
    affraid

    You kept that quiet, Frank (fshortt)!
    Smile


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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by fshortt on Sun May 01, 2011 11:20 pm

    Colin wrote:

    Lineage of Usui back to Tanaka Confirmed!
    - Usui's Teacher webpage


    Really?!!
    affraid

    You kept that quiet, Frank (fshortt)!
    Smile


    hi James et al.,

    indeed, super quiet hehe... I do believe that has been removed thanks to you James Smile
    Seriously though, there are some disputes that have come up between myself and my writing-partner (co-author) which I will not go into details here. (James, you know the issues I am referring to and I thank you for pointing it out - seemed to have a better effect coming from a objective 3rd party than from myself.)
    The issues are being corrected.
    From my introduction and foreword I tried to make it clear that there is no proof of connection between Taireido and Reiki, even though some techniques are identical. My partner however, believed this "evidence" was clear.... I am making sure these assumptions are minimised and removed where possible, or at least explained properly in a note that will go out with the book.

    I am aware, thanks to James, that some of the statements might seem like misinformation (regarding Takata...) This was never our intention, and will be corrected. My partner has a strong view on these things, but I am confident that it has been softened now, especially after he has read Mr Deacon's work on Takata and reiki history.

    On another note, I am convinced that my partner did not write it with malicious intent, but actually believed he had a strong case to make the point - based on the similarities found in the two systems. Others statements, I do believe was just a bad marketing tactic.

    Difference of opinion between us (the authors) was overcome by finding a middle way - so there are still things that I am not happy about, had it not been for James objective feedback I think the battle of the wills would have still been ongoing.

    Sorry for not replying before, I have been on tour shooting since early feb, and just got back.

    I hope to get more feedback from you guys, and make the book better for the readers.


    thanks a lot (James) I do appreciate the honesty, keep it up

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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by Milarepa on Sun May 01, 2011 11:43 pm

    does that mean we'll be seeing you in other parts of the forum? Missed ya buddy!


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    Re: Reiki and Taireido...

    Post by fshortt on Mon May 02, 2011 6:03 am

    Milarepa wrote:does that mean we'll be seeing you in other parts of the forum? Missed ya buddy!


    Indeed it does, missed you guys too.
    In the summer we are moving to Singapore, so might be out for a month (July/August-ish)

    good to be back

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