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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Bruce on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:13 am

    Milarepa wrote:
    thehungrycaterpillar wrote:

    OK, this is SERIOUSLY awesome!!
    WIND?? I had NO idea!!
    guys , anybody got anything more on this cool concept??



    If folks are giving advice about wind, my dog (Jasper) won't stop passing it. What shoudl i do?


    Face away from it.

    Bruce

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by thehungrycaterpillar on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:14 am

    I believe that this technique has its origins in a Shinto misogi (purification) ritual. Shinto practitioners always try to keep their mind, body and spirit clean from impurities/energetic debris, especially before praying at a shrine. Traditionally this was done at the village well, using wooden bowls, or in a clear water stream the sea or even under a waterfall. Nowadays, visitors in Japan are asked to use the water and long-handled ladles outside each shrine to purify themselves before entering.



    OMG!!!
    Suspect

    In India before entering the temple you have to wash your hands and feet before entering the main area where the dieties are kept!!
    I thought they were just being clean, SO IT has ANOTHER meaning!!
    Ah, nice to know.
    ....and since we can't shower, one more thing they do is sprinkle water on top of their heads!!!!!!!
    even holy water is sprinkled on top of one's head, so the same concept??

    but then, the person who is following blindly, what is he going to benefit???
    There is NO intention or understanding behind the rituals, how will it work??
    scratch



    It is interesting also that the correct technique to perform this ritual is to first use the right hand, to pour water over the left hand, then the left to pour over the right and then the right hand again (to purify the mouth) - right, left, right is very similar kenyoku.


    I wonder why???
    meridians got to do with anything?

    As another interesting aside, next time to get a chance to watch Shanghai Noon, starring Jackie Chan, watch what he and the bodyguards of the Princess do as they greet her. They do it very quickly down their arms but it certainly looks like a form of kenyoku! Smile

    Ai to Hikari
    Colin


    Oh, I got to see this one!!
    Basketball


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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by thehungrycaterpillar on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:18 am

    There are some qigong practices that appear to be similar, which involve brushing along meridian lines.


    Ah... The meridian lines!

    They're used mainly to help the body reabsorb qi after it's been circulated in practice. But they can also be used to move stagnant qi out through the endpoints of the meridians. For these sorts of practices, the physical action by itself isn't nearly as effective as the action combined with intent.

    Also, when I'm moving stagnant qi out through someone's meridian line, I usually just touch the endpoint and use intent to move the energy through the line and out. Although at other times, I also move the other hand over the meridian line a few inches above the body, similar to scanning, which helps to draw the qi through.

    So, back to your question. My best guess, based on my experience with other practices that look similar in some ways, is that yes it has merit.
    Bruce[/quote]


    Bruce, You are a cool freak, where do they teach you things like this?!!
    cheers

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by thehungrycaterpillar on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:19 am

    If folks are giving advice about wind, my dog (Jasper) won't stop passing it. What shoudl i do?


    .

    I'm getting high typinf thisssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh....


    Oh, you got the giggles like me!


    Very Happy

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Milarepa on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:20 am

    Bruce wrote:
    Milarepa wrote:
    thehungrycaterpillar wrote:

    OK, this is SERIOUSLY awesome!!
    WIND?? I had NO idea!!
    guys , anybody got anything more on this cool concept??



    If folks are giving advice about wind, my dog (Jasper) won't stop passing it. What shoudl i do?


    Face away from it.

    Bruce


    lol!


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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by chi_solas on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:52 am

    If you look at stories from the bible
    people walked for miles and when they
    arrived at their destination water was
    offered to cleanse the dust and dirt
    mainly from their feet. Washing of hands
    maybe just a cleansing ritual before eating.


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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Bruce on Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:23 pm

    [re. cleansing before entering temples]
    thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
    but then, the person who is following blindly, what is he going to benefit???
    There is NO intention or understanding behind the rituals, how will it work??
    scratch


    Well, the same question probably arises whenever anything is ritualized.

    Bruce

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Milarepa on Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:28 pm

    Possibly interesting, there's said to be a lot of power in ritual.


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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Bruce on Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:44 pm

    Milarepa wrote:Possibly interesting, there's said to be a lot of power in ritual.


    Then the question becomes, where is the intent? (Or, whose intent is there?)

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Milarepa on Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:02 pm

    I'm just picking this stuff outta thin air really, please excuse if i talk crap, hehe. Would the actual act of the ritual be the intention? I've a very hazy memory about magic, and something to do with rituals having power. Perhaps this is doubling with intention & belief of the person performing it?


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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Reikijim on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:36 pm

    Bruce wrote:[re. cleansing before entering temples]
    thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
    but then, the person who is following blindly, what is he going to benefit???
    There is NO intention or understanding behind the rituals, how will it work??
    scratch


    Well, the same question probably arises whenever anything is ritualized.

    Bruce


    Hello All you wonderful people... Smile

    I wonder if people practicing ritual in a dogmatic way,focusing on the actions only...miss the entire meaning. Rituals, in my interpretation, were created to focus and project intent, the intent of connection...at least spiritual rituals...If that is not their purpose, then the ones practicing have lost site of the rituals importance...Like playing golf, while wearing a blind fold...whats the point?...Yeah I know...where did that analogy come from.... scratch scratch

    Smile RJ

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Reikijim on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:39 pm

    Colin wrote:
    Reikijim wrote:

    I have, a couple of times engaged in Hateurei ho, after sensing that something was not quite right after treating someone. This is very rare,like I said, only a couple of times have I felt this was needed. This is a better solution for me as there is an energy cleansing exercise contained in this meditation.

    Ir`s always up to the individual, as to what works best for them...But as i stated earlier, setting an intention to change the situation, remains as the key element.

    As far as what Usui-sensei would think of this....I have no idea...

    Smile RJ


    Hi Jim

    I always use the kenyoku (dry bathing/brushing) technique, which is part of hatsurei ho at the end (and sometimes before) Reiki treatments.

    I believe that this technique has its origins in a Shinto misogi (purification) ritual. Shinto practitioners always try to keep their mind, body and spirit clean from impurities/energetic debris, especially before praying at a shrine. Traditionally this was done at the village well, using wooden bowls, or in a clear water stream the sea or even under a waterfall. Nowadays, visitors in Japan are asked to use the water and long-handled ladles outside each shrine to purify themselves before entering.

    It is interesting also that the correct technique to perform this ritual is to first use the right hand, to pour water over the left hand, then the left to pour over the right and then the right hand again (to purify the mouth) - right, left, right is very similar kenyoku.

    A similar technique is used in some martial arts but without the water - i.e. dry bathing.

    As another interesting aside, next time to get a chance to watch Shanghai Noon, starring Jackie Chan, watch what he and the bodyguards of the Princess do as they greet her. They do it very quickly down their arms but it certainly looks like a form of kenyoku! Smile

    Ai to Hikari
    Colin


    Thanks for this Colin,

    It`s interesting..anything Shinto is interesting. Done a little Shinto reading too. You my friend blow me away with the wealth of info you share...

    Very Happy RJ

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Pandora on Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:43 am

    I wonder if there is something about rituals being performed over time being imbued with the intent, so that the actual intent needn't be held by the person performing it, but is held by those who have gone before?

    It's the same sort of principle as symbols being imbued with power by those who access them. (I think it may arise from Gnostic thought but I've not gone into it recently.)

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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by LightBody on Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:46 am

    thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
    Do you all still wash your hands before and after Reiki sessions?



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    Re: Why do we wash our hands again, after the Reiki Session?

    Post by Erik Jögimar on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:34 pm

    i only wash my hands for hygenic reasons. I do not believe in this
    energy transference notion, that clients stuff gets carried over to
    the healer.

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