Colin wrote:

Well here is a link to the Reiki News website which has some interesting photos one of which is of a couple of 6000 year old figures apparently giving themselves Reiki and the other shows a modern bowl with a decoration very much like the CKR but the design has apparently been in use for hundreds of years and no one nowadays can remember its significance.

http://www.reiki.org/Online/sept01/SeptNL01.htm

Interesting Reiki.org said this. You could take a photo of my Colin, withmy hands on someone, and it hardly means i'm doing Reiki! It could be QT, Qigong, or maybe i just like touhcing people!

Colin wrote:
She felt that the first horizontal line of CKR was originally just a decorative stroke which had now become part of the symbol itself. She said if CKR symbolised focusing the Reiki (or directing the spirit ) onto a particular point or area, why would it have to make a right angle turn before arriving there? Its path should be straight down from the universe and then focused using the spiral.

Thankyou for sharing that!

Colin wrote:


Like you I have come across lots of spirals in various cultures, usually symbolising energy but none have had the central line or first horizontal line. Oh, and that actually reminds me! A few years ago I met a Japanese lady who was living in the UK but was a close associate of Toshitaka Mochizuki and was a Vortex Reiki Teacher. She felt that the first horizontal line of CKR was originally just a decorative stroke which had now become part of the symbol itself. She said if CKR symbolised focusing the Reiki (or directing the spirit ) onto a particular point or area, why would it have to make a right angle turn before arriving there? Its path should be straight down from the universe and then focused using the spiral.



Ai to Hikari
Colin

Putting my six-year-old head on here:

"Oh that's easy! It's a handle!"

Colin wrote:...Well here is a link to the Reiki News website which has some interesting photos one of which is of a couple of 6000 year old figures apparently giving themselves Reiki ..

I suppose its all a matter of perspective...

Personally, it looks like an all-too-familiar scene that's played out on a regular basis in many households around the world (and probably has been for the last 6000 years)





The husband (on the left) is sitting there dejectedly, saying something like:
"Aw - do we have to? I wanna go for a drink with the guys"

and his wife is sitting there indignantly, saying something like:
"But you know we always go visit my sister on the first Tuesday of the month - we're going; end of conversation."



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^ Win.

Ok....try attuning someone, use no symbols. Whats left of the attunment procedure?
Really, tell me how you would do it, and where you would start...let me know the out come...It would be fascinating.

Question: does Attuning someone to the symbols mean "imprinting them into their aura" (or whatever you wish to call it - "spiritual blueprint," "soul" etc.) or does it mean introducing them to the symbol, its essence, its vibration etc. through this firsthand experience?

Do you use all of the symbols in every Attunement or only those you're Attuning them to? Or do you use all of the symbols but not necessarily ATTUNE the student to each?

o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:

Ok....try attuning someone, use no symbols. Whats left of the attunment procedure?
Really, tell me how you would do it, and where you would start...let me know the out come...It would be fascinating.

Question: does Attuning someone to the symbols mean "imprinting them into their aura" (or whatever you wish to call it - "spiritual blueprint," "soul" etc.) or does it mean introducing them to the symbol, its essence, its vibration etc. through this firsthand experience?

Ok...I`ll bite...You have used my quote so I will assume this may be addressed to me...or not...

Why don`t we just consider the fact that you have answered your own question, in, and of itself. I would say that both ideas hold merit. I do believe for me, the experience of being attuned, to be much more thrilling than the mechanics of the interaction. I other words...I have no idea...

Also: Attunement:

"being or bringing into harmony; a feeling of being "at one with another"

"to adjust or accustom (a person or thing); acclimatize"

" To bring into a harmonious or responsive relationship "


My personal favorite.."If I hadn`t felt it, I would not have believed it"

Do these definitions help you?

o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:

Do you use all of the symbols in every Attunement or only those you're Attuning them to? Or do you use all of the symbols but not necessarily ATTUNE the student to each?

There are considerable variations in attunments. I would suppose that some of us would like to know Takata-sensei`s exact method. I would anyways.
There are some generally accepted, more used versions, and those who attune the individual, using basic guide lines, with variations, based on intuitive perception, guides, what you had for breakfast, and how the stock market is doing that day....I would hope everyone knows that I`m kidding...

I think most start out attuneing people based on what they were taught by their teacher. Komyo is a certain way, Usui/Tibetan is a certain way, yet i do know people who are certified by Rand`s organization who do change things a bit.
Lots of books and lineages represent lots of slight variations....symbols are always there. Not always are they the Usui symbols, but in most systems there are symbols that represent commonalities to CKR,SHK,HSZSN and DKM.

From reading your posts, I would assume that you have experience in regard to the questions you have offered. What is your spin on things?

RJ

Thaak wrote:

o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:So yuh no need to fear the symbols.

chuckle... I don't fear them. I just don't feel the need to use them in my personal practice any longer.

I want to clarify something here.

It isn't that the symbols or the energy construct or organization they represent isn't present when I practice. They are.

I just have done away with all the ritual surrounding the symbols. If I feel intuitively that I should focus on a specific symbol during a session, then I do so.

But I think that if you approach a healing session from a dual perspective, then the following could happen:

Client: Oh, I am having some emotional problems.

Your Internal Dialogue: Ok, emotional issues, I'm gonna use SHK today.

This presents a problem potentially, because you are treating a symptom, rather than the person. You are also allowing your ego to make a decision how you are going to treat the symptom.

If you just open up a session with unconditional love and recognizing the divine spark, then intuition can guide you as to if you should be focusing on anything specific.

o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:^ Win.

Huh?

Thaak wrote:

Client: Oh, I am having some emotional problems.

Your Internal Dialogue: Ok, emotional issues, I'm gonna use SHK today.

This presents a problem potentially, because you are treating a symptom, rather than the person. You are also allowing your ego to make a decision how you are going to treat the symptom.

If you just open up a session with unconditional love and recognizing the divine spark, then intuition can guide you as to if you should be focusing on anything specific.

Hi Andy,

i totally agree with what you say here...and how i do things myself, sometimes, not always...no generalities, in treatment at least...

a very easy to understand reference...thanks man

RJ

Reikijim wrote:

Hi Andy,

i totally agree with what you say here...and how i do things myself, sometimes, not always...no generalities, in treatment at least...

a very easy to understand reference...thanks man

RJ

first, no problems. Probably the first time I was able to say, on this topic, what I wanted to say, concisely, and so it made sense to others as well.

Second, I agree. This is such a hard topic to have a discussion on sometimes, because it feels like when something is written, that is the stereotype you've chosen to live by wholly.

I'm glad you mentioned the... "no generalities," thing. Because I can't say any single session I've facilitated has been the same. Each one seems to mold itself to the client, and indeed the unique momentary needs of repeat clients as well.

Thaak wrote:

Reikijim wrote:

Hi Andy,

i totally agree with what you say here...and how i do things myself, sometimes, not always...no generalities, in treatment at least...

a very easy to understand reference...thanks man

RJ

first, no problems. Probably the first time I was able to say, on this topic, what I wanted to say, concisely, and so it made sense to others as well.

Second, I agree. This is such a hard topic to have a discussion on sometimes, because it feels like when something is written, that is the stereotype you've chosen to live by wholly.

I'm glad you mentioned the... "no generalities," thing. Because I can't say any single session I've facilitated has been the same. Each one seems to mold itself to the client, and indeed the unique momentary needs of repeat clients as well.

Hi Andy,

Sessions with clients are always a delightful surprise in regard to what develops. My experiences with clients have generated, many "soulful smiles' in my heart.
When people who have experienced Reiki for the first time , open their eyes with peace and a slight sense of awe...I cannot help but feel joy through out my person/spirit. We truly have been blessed in the ability to help others. So many of us gain so very much through this interaction.

I`m so very glad that I have finally come to a clear understanding of the ideas you have been trying very hard to project, regarding your personal relationship with symbols. It`s always delightful, when I find us in the same place, and it`s funny as to how much we learn trying to get there. It has been said that some things defy description through language, only the experience gives the true meaning.

with much respect,

RJ

Thaak wrote:

If you just open up a session with unconditional love and recognizing the divine spark, then intuition can guide you as to if you should be focusing on anything specific.

Yeah man,

There is that feeling that one recognizes...When you know that you are in touch with, as a certain spiritual leader of the modern world would say...."your true nature", a truly "connected" experience is realized in this state of being.
Love can heal most things, not an emotional attachment kind of love, no, a type of love that lets one find peace and harmony, beauty and appreciation, without the ego wanting to posses it, as when the ego is not in control, we realize that this kind of "love" is always present...compassionate...connected to all...

:)RJ