How come, if the Hikkei was Usui sensei's, and, he answered questions in which he used the term 'Usui Reiki Ryoho', does it not once mention 'Usui Reiki Ryoho' or 'Reiki Ryoho' in his memorial stone, erected by his students?

Wasn't it Kimiko Koyama who put the book together, although after Usui-sensei's death?

If so, of course there's a chance that some details got mixed up.

Erik Jögimar wrote:Wasn't it Kimiko Koyama who put the book together, although after Usui-sensei's death?

Who told us that?

The answers in the Q & A section of the Hikkei, is purportedly by Usui sensei.

Erik Jögimar wrote:
If so, of course there's a chance that some details got mixed up.

Begs the question, just what is accurate in this 'historical' book.

I can't read Japanese, but on Rick Rivards site, he shows the 'original' Japanese translation. If it does really say Usui sensei used those words, how come his students never referred to it that way?

Take care
wayne

Milarepa wrote:How come, if the Hikkei was Usui sensei's, and, he answered questions in which he used the term 'Usui Reiki Ryoho', does it not once mention 'Usui Reiki Ryoho' or 'Reiki Ryoho' in his memorial stone, erected by his students?

Well, I may not be able to read old Japanese but, looking at the composite photos of the kanji on Usui's memorial stone on Rick Rivard's site, I can see that Reiki Ryoho is mentioned at least twice - and, since it is on Usui's memorial I think we can assume it refers to Usui's Reiki Ryoho.

Unfortunatley, the image server does not appear to be available so I can't upload the images to show you. Interestingly, though, I can't see the kanji for the Reiki Principles in kanji of the memorial but some of the kanji are very indistinct.

James, or anyone else, could you point me to the general area of the memorial where they are? e.g. middle, bottom right etc.

Thanks.

Ai to Hikari
Colin

Colin wrote:

Milarepa wrote:How come, if the Hikkei was Usui sensei's, and, he answered questions in which he used the term 'Usui Reiki Ryoho', does it not once mention 'Usui Reiki Ryoho' or 'Reiki Ryoho' in his memorial stone, erected by his students?

Well, I may not be able to read old Japanese but, looking at the composite photos of the kanji on Usui's memorial stone on Rick Rivard's site, I can see that Reiki Ryoho is mentioned at least twice - and, since it is on Usui's memorial I think we can assume it refers to Usui's Reiki Ryoho.

Does the Kanji you're referring to possibly have other meanings? Like, 'there, their, they're' in English?

I know it mentions 'Reiki', and also 'Reiho'. Neither are 'Reiki Ryoho'.

Take care
wayne

Milarepa wrote:

Does the Kanji you're referring to possibly have other meanings? Like, 'there, their, they're' in English?

I know it mentions 'Reiki', and also 'Reiho'. Neither are 'Reiki Ryoho'.

Take care
wayne

It is possible that they could be interpreted as something Reiki Ryoho, if they appeared separately from each other but since the kanji are next to each other in these examples, i.e. in context, I think it is reasonable to assume it says Reiki Ryoho.

Here is the first instance on the memorial (and yes, there is a mark of some sort between Reiki and Ryoho in this instance but I don't know what it means):



Here is the second example, with no mark inbetween Reiki and Ryoho:



and here is the kanji in a clear form for you to compare with the memorial inscription:



Still can't see the Reiki Principles though and the last part of that is supposed to contain the full name of the system: 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'.

Ai to Hikari
Colin

Colin wrote:///Still can't see the Reiki Principles though and the last part of that is supposed to contain the full name of the system: 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'.

Hi Colin

The memorial speaks of the principles as 'gokai' (as opposed to 'gainen' - as some name them)

They begin on the crack-line on the stone, and run down the left side of the crack, and then part way down the next column to the left. [And at the top of the column to the left of that one, it mentions "Secret Method of Inviting Blessings" etc.]




My grasp of the old kanji is limited, yet as far as I can see, there is no mention of 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'

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Colin wrote:

Milarepa wrote:

Does the Kanji you're referring to possibly have other meanings? Like, 'there, their, they're' in English?

I know it mentions 'Reiki', and also 'Reiho'. Neither are 'Reiki Ryoho'.

Take care
wayne

It is possible that they could be interpreted as something Reiki Ryoho, if they appeared separately from each other but since the kanji are next to each other in these examples, i.e. in context, I think it is reasonable to assume it says Reiki Ryoho.

Here is the first instance on the memorial (and yes, there is a mark of some sort between Reiki and Ryoho in this instance but I don't know what it means):



Here is the second example, with no mark inbetween Reiki and Ryoho:



and here is the kanji in a clear form for you to compare with the memorial inscription:



Still can't see the Reiki Principles though and the last part of that is supposed to contain the full name of the system: 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'.

Ai to Hikari
Colin

you mean to say i've made a mistake?! Holy bat-crap!

Rlei_ki wrote:

Colin wrote:///Still can't see the Reiki Principles though and the last part of that is supposed to contain the full name of the system: 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'.

Hi Colin

The memorial speaks of the principles as 'gokai' (as opposed to 'gainen' - as some name them)

They begin on the crack-line on the stone, and run down the left side of the crack, and then part way down the next column to the left. [And at the top of the column to the left of that one, it mentions "Secret Method of Inviting Blessings" etc.]




My grasp of the old kanji is limited, yet as far as I can see, there is no mention of 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'

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Ok, who wrote the english words on the memorial then? Since you know everything, hehe.

My bet's on Doi, or RJ, since they get the blame of everything else!

By 'RJ' i don't mean ReikiJimm btw!

Here is the first instance on the memorial (and yes, there is a mark of some sort between Reiki and Ryoho in this instance but I don't know what it means)

Looks like they just chose to write it as "Reiki no Ryoho" in this instance... same meaning.

Ahem, hehe. Let Mr. Clanger here 'rephrase' this topic slightly...

How come, in the Hikkei , Usui sensei is meant to have referred to 'Usui Reiki Ryoho' and 'Reiki Ryoho', when his students erected a memorial in which they said Usui sensei was the 'founder of Reiho'?

Not the 'founder of Usui Reiki Ryoho', or the 'founder of Reiki Ryoho'.

Milarepa,

Where does the idea that Koyama-sensei put together the Hikkei come from?
Dare i guess it's something that Hiroshi Doi shared, or are there (an)other
source for this piece of information?

Erik Jögimar wrote:Milarepa,

Where does the idea that Koyama-sensei put together the Hikkei come from?
Dare i guess it's something that Hiroshi Doi shared, or are there (an)other
source for this piece of information?

yeah, hehe, i hate to say it, but Hiroshi gave us all the information about the Gakkai, Koyama, and the Hikkei.

None of it substantiated, imo. . I feel it is more likely that Hiroshi put together the Hikkei, 'resurected mentally' the Gakkai, and picked the name Koyama, hehe. It's certainly just as plausible as what he's said.

Take care
Wayne

Last i saw somewhere (James site, i think), there is a list of previous and even the possibly current Kaicho for Gakkai. Have there been any attempts of contacting him/her, and what were the results?

Erik Jögimar wrote:Last i saw somewhere (James site, i think), there is a list of previous and even the possibly current Kaicho for Gakkai. Have there been any attempts of contacting him/her, and what were the results?

I think James has gave the information, as his site does. Don't think he was endorsing the story neccessarily, though he can speak for himself, .

dunno bout attempts to contact. It's meant to be a secretive society. Which either means it is secretive, or, it doesn't exist.

take care
Wayne