This is great topic and you guys all doing great job! Oh by the way, did I mention that in the process of doing so...you are confusing the heck out of me .

OK if Usui empowered symbols “as a tool for us” be it to connect to him or whatever else....I understand it, it makes sense. However, it becomes more difficult to follow if we think of different ways the symbols are written. Even the most of Ms. Takat's students had different symbol variations and the fact is they all work for us.

Who did empowered those symbols? Or maybe they are not empowered after all? But if so how than we get by using them where we wanted/needed to go?? Or... do they help us to reach some levels of our subconscious mind that “can do things” we never dare to think are possible.

What if symbols are here to help us reach that place in our mind at will, effortlessly? This, believe or not.. somehow makes a sense to me..

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rzukic wrote:
OK if Usui empowered symbols “as a tool for us” be it to connect to him or whatever else....I understand it, it makes sense. However, it becomes more difficult to follow if we think of different ways the symbols are written. Even the most of Ms. Takata's students had different symbol variations and the fact is they all work for us.

We've had passed on spiritual essence (for lack of a better word) of Usui sensei's expereince/ability. Just as he was able to empower symbols, so can we. Although, personally, i'd prefer to experience the ones he empowered, since he had that fantastic experience.

I'm not sure what topic this is exactly, i'll have to check, but there's a topic going on about what the symbols do sub-consciously. So even if i draw a swastika to treat you with, you'll be treated, to an extent. This is cause the usuual symbols are within me, and activitated sub-consciously when i consciously choose to do certain acts in Reiki. So as we got a lineage in which it's initiaiton based, passed down to us, within us, is the ability in which the original symbols gave.

The differences in the symbols, among some of her students, were only slight, .

rzukic wrote:
Who did empowered those symbols? Or maybe they are not empowered after all? But if so how than we get by using them where we wanted/needed to go?? Or... do they help us to reach some levels of our subconscious mind that “can do things” we never dare to think are possible.

IMO, Usui sensei empowered the symbols. They are empowered. If a person with no prior Reiki, recieves a Reiju, after a time their Reiki experience will cease. It's what i've saw with students, and been told also. If we use the symbols, it's stays possibly permanent. If the symbols got no power, how come it's them that makes such a difference.

rzukic wrote:
What if symbols are here to help us reach that place in our mind at will, effortlessly? This, believe or not.. somehow makes a sense to me..

It's effortlessly consciously, cause of what's happened sub-conscious in initiations, .

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Wayne

Milarepa wrote:This is a big point. 'Intent' is used almost as some form of sacred technique in itself, hehe. It's re-iterated by practitioners that much that they'll defend it like a knight in shining armour, but won't (or can't) show how intent is able to do what's being claimed.

My experience from aikijujutsu practice has convinced me that intent is capable of quite a lot. I wouldn't question that ability, although the use of intent is totally different matter - it is slightly more complicated than just a mental command. The ability to use intent effectively in budo applications may take years of practice.

intent on it's own isn't enough, is my point, . if i itend something now, it won't happen, unless prior conditions are right. in this regard, intent isn't 'all'. there's much more at work. as you're suggesting, years of budo practice could be neccessary for intent to work. or Reiki initiaiton. or empowrment with symbols, etc..

Milarepa wrote:intent on it's own isn't enough, is my point, . if i itend something now, it won't happen, unless prior conditions are right. in this regard, intent isn't 'all'. there's much more at work. as you're suggesting, years of budo practice could be neccessary for intent to work. or Reiki initiaiton. or empowrment with symbols, etc..

intent is like a seed, given the right climate
possibilities are endless for healthy growth

doing reiki is the act of setting the intent in motion.... When we intend reiki, reiki happens... However, this is not equal with saying that reiki operates per our intent....

When i intend reiki, i m allowing myself for the experience only... The role of intent in reiki is hardly more than that.... Intent is an ingredient, not the substance of reiki.... Intent is like a key to a lock.... Unless there is a lock within which key would turn, the key is useless...

Within budo, as MattiT said, intent becomes superlative in fourth level only... With earlier three ones, we have to strenghten rei and physical alike.... In reiki, this portion is substituted by a 10-minutes initiations session.... What a shortcut

hey, that's 5 great posts by 5 different people today, in 5 different topics!

Milarepa wrote:hey, that's 5 great posts by 5 different people today, in 5 different topics!

did you read your Rune today

my rune? wherebouts is it please?

Lambs-Wool wrote:doing reiki is the act of setting the intent in motion.... When we intend reiki, reiki happens... However, this is not equal with saying that reiki operates per our intent....

When i intend reiki, i m allowing myself for the experience only... The role of intent in reiki is hardly more than that.... Intent is an ingredient, not the substance of reiki.... Intent is like a key to a lock.... Unless there is a lock within which key would turn, the key is useless...

Within budo, as MattiT said, intent becomes superlative in fourth level only... With earlier three ones, we have to strenghten rei and physical alike.... In reiki, this portion is substituted by a 10-minutes initiations session.... What a shortcut

Excellent post, Salman!


Please may I use part of it as a quote for my facebook page?

aww, Colin, thats like a certificate for me

I'm feeling myself so happy within this family


Love

Salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:aww, Colin, thats like a certificate for me

I'm feeling myself so happy within this family


Love

Salman

Ok Salman, can Colin use it on his facebook, Yes.

thats for sure Bridget

All my words here belong to the training, guidance and support of my high ranking mentors here at RLL.

I just wish i always have the opportunity of learning from Colin, my hats off and i bow for him with respect!

Thanks

Salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:thats for sure Bridget

All my words here belong to the training, guidance and support of my high ranking mentors here at RLL.

I just wish i always have the opportunity of learning from Colin, my hats off and i bow for him with respect!

Thanks

Salman

Now you've made me blush!

Thank you, Salman! But it is your wisdom that I wish to share on this occasion. I love your poetic way of explaining things!

he's being totally honest salman, . in conversations before between Colin & I, he's remarked his appreciation of your views. This shows buddy, by all means listen to others advice, but you're an equal on this forum, you've got tons of wisdom. .