Hi!

When the symbols are placed 'in' us, where do they go?
Do they go thru the energyfield and into the chakras?

How does a symbol affect the energyfield?
what if it was written in english or any other language?

Is the only reason that it all started out in japanese that we still are using it?
or
Do the characters have a specific impact on our energy field? Straight lines, geometric patterns..etc,.??




THC

thehungrycaterpillar wrote:Hi!

When the symbols are placed 'in' us, where do they go?

they stay there, .

thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
Do they go thru the energyfield and into the chakras?

The attunement isn't for the chakras. Although, many teachers now do place symbols in chakras.

thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
How does a symbol affect the energyfield?

how does a symbol affect us in order to expereince Reiki?

thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
what if it was written in english or any other language?

If it's wrote in english, or any other language, there may still be an effect. This is provided the person attuning is already Reiki attuned. however, when things are changed like this, it may not be for the best.

thehungrycaterpillar wrote:
Is the only reason that it all started out in japanese that we still are using it?
or
Do the characters have a specific impact on our energy field? Straight lines, geometric patterns..etc,.??

i've went looked at the symbols a bit, with some help. But have only scrathced the surface, it's a major subject. The symbols have 'power' for lack of a better word.

We have to rememember who choose these symbols. Usui sensei. WE also have to remember, or imagine, the 'abilitities' he may have had. It's quite likely our little Reiki expereinces would be dwarfed by his. He choose the symbols, and he may have empowered them. Like, for pete's sake, one is a Japanese phrase, and we can absent heal with it! Hehe.

It's through Usui sensei's abiliity, we can use the symbols the way we do, imo.

take care
wayne

I see the symbols as tools that direct & focus us
to bring balance & harmony to our physical,emotional,
& spiritual needs.

Thanks Wayne & Briget!

XXXX

THC


Symbols are endlessly fascinating...

chi_solas wrote:I see the symbols as tools that direct & focus us
to bring balance & harmony to our physical,emotional,
& spiritual needs.

I see the symbols as tools

I like the way you have written great...

keep it up
vj

thehungrycaterpillar wrote:Hi!

When the symbols are placed 'in' us, where do they go?
Do they go thru the energyfield and into the chakras?

How does a symbol affect the energyfield?
what if it was written in english or any other language?

Is the only reason that it all started out in japanese that we still are using it?
or
Do the characters have a specific impact on our energy field? Straight lines, geometric patterns..etc,.??




THC

Hi THC

your questions echo so well with rest of us here! and i can offer my personal feelings, no scholarly acclaim tbh!!

When symbols are placed 'in' us
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it appears to me that the whole 'action' of 'placing' symbols 'in' the attunee, is for the help of the master more than the help of the person being attuned.

attunement process has certain ingredients... firstly the master's ability to attune, secondly his intention to attune, and third his intent of putting his intention into action and thereby bringing about the actual attunement....


suppose THC, you've got a student who you want to attune... depending on your practice, lets say you've charged him 'x' amount, and have given him a time for attunement session... now you have all the ingredients, you have ability, you have intention to attune that buddy (since you have taken the agreed sum against it) but only one thing remaining... that is ... the process of putting intention into action... and this is the exact stage where the metaphor of physically putting a symbol into him, comes into play

you put symbols in the attunee, and thereby confirm yourself that attunement has been done, whereas, in my belief, even if you had not 'put' symbols in him, and simply have 'done' a command/request for his attunement, the attunement might have as well effected similarly

DO THEY GO THROUGH THE ENERGY FIELD OR INTO THE CHAKRAS
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well, i feel symbols operate on a more non-physical level than energy field and chakras... when someone is attuned, his access to channels of reiki is 'initiated' this has not to be confused with a concept like granting somebody a physical access to a physical flow-pipe... its more elevated... it is more non-physical... reiki is an ability which was bestowed to Usui Sensei, and then onwads to us through our lineages, so we have the same reiki which Usui was blessed with, since we are using his lineage, and since we are using a blessing that has 'descended' to us from Usui sensei... as a matter of previlige, as a matter of possession, as a matter of ethical right....

reiki attunement process is a process of linking up, and that liking up is more a matter of previlige or permission, than the physical sense of linking up with some physical thing...


when we are attuned, we are linked to reiki, and reiki changes our energetic field, our chakra speed, and almost all our body balances... it harmonises... it balances things... so chakra feelings or the feelings which people have during attunement is more a matter of a fall out or results (forgive for lack of better words), than any intended objective of attunement itself...

if we would attune somebody to introduce reiki into their chakras, we might be giving a less service to whole sacred ritual of attunement by considering something as a 'whole' when it is only a 'part'

Assalamu alaikum buddy!

Lambs-Wool wrote:

you put symbols in the attunee, and thereby confirm yourself that attunement has been done, whereas, in my belief, even if you had not 'put' symbols in him, and simply have 'done' a command/request for his attunement, the attunement might have as well effected similarly

Just wanted to pick up on this, . An initiation without symbols, some say is more akin to Reiju. It's been said by folks that an initiation without symbols, may enable a person, but it won't 'hold', for want of a better word. that is, it won't be as long lasting.

take care
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:Assalamu alaikum buddy!

Lambs-Wool wrote:

you put symbols in the attunee, and thereby confirm yourself that attunement has been done, whereas, in my belief, even if you had not 'put' symbols in him, and simply have 'done' a command/request for his attunement, the attunement might have as well effected similarly

Just wanted to pick up on this, . An initiation without symbols, some say is more akin to Reiju. It's been said by folks that an initiation without symbols, may enable a person, but it won't 'hold', for want of a better word. that is, it won't be as long lasting.

take care
Wayne

walaiikumussalam dear Wayne

thanks for greetings bro!

Yes, I admit that I missed that point. Sure that attuning without symbols may tentamount to reiju although reiju empowerments may have slightly diferent flavour of intention. Symbols have always been a mystery and what we can do is to share our experiences based on the ongoing perception we been continually developing about symbols.

As a share, I can tell that concentrating on written words, religious scriptures and signs (like for example the word 'om') and even that concentrating on black dot (as per a classic hypnotism exercise) does trigger the working of our sub-concious mind in a certain way... So it might not be the exclusive case of reiki symbols where we keep coming to feel flashes of revealation as we progress in our meditation and concentration


As a possibility, I have sometimes a feeling that when we concentrate or gaze some written thing it triggers certain centers associated with vision or olfactory senses.. I don't know (others ease share their experiences) that is there some difference if we concentrate on something written in black on white background as compared to things written in a different colur ink with a background of a different colour than white??? If the feeling differs on changing the colur, then I think we must bring ourselves out from this fallacy that concentrating on written things or symbols have a
such a big intrinsic significance

take care Wayne.


Salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:

Symbols have always been a mystery and what we can do is to share our experiences based on the ongoing perception we been continually developing about symbols.

Yeah, studying the symbols, their origins, possible reasons for being created, how they were created, what is it that empowers them, how they are empowered, who empowered them, why they are placed where they are, what do they do in those places. These are all questions that i'm sure can help one discover the mysteries of the symbols. And the mysteries of Reiki itself.

I don't know the answers myself, though will keep looking. I do know that when i find them, i'll have a more realistic idea of what Usui sensei's system was all about, .

Lambs-Wool wrote:
As a share, I can tell that concentrating on written words, religious scriptures and signs (like for example the word 'om') and even that concentrating on black dot (as per a classic hypnotism exercise) does trigger the working of our sub-concious mind in a certain way... So it might not be the exclusive case of reiki symbols where we keep coming to feel flashes of revealation as we progress in our meditation and concentration

Usui sensei studied widely, including sanskrit. And it was this study, coupled with intense practical application (not one thing on it's own), that enabled him to have his wonderful expereince. We remember, he was at the end of a practial spiritual act, yet, he experienced a vision (among other things), of words he had been studying. This shows me that the path of study, coupled with practical application, can bring great things possibly. .

take care
Wayne

Milarepa wrote: He choose the symbols, and he may have empowered them. Like, for pete's sake, one is a Japanese phrase, and we can absent heal with it! Hehe.


take care
wayne

Yeah...that kinda sums it up nicely...Dosn`t it?

The symbols have always been important to me. It seemed obvious that there was no attunement procedure if one excludes the symbols...Some would argue that it`s merely intent taking over...That`s a weak position, if one really thinks about it. There is just too much individuality in regard to what the symbols can do, to ignore. Also, if intent, is really the end all, do all, then we would all be able to realize most of the things we want in life merely though intent...I know very few who have life mastered in this way ....so...I gotta agree that there is much more going on with the symbols than those who believe "they are just a teaching aid"



RJ

Reikijim wrote:
The symbols have always been important to me. It seemed obvious that there was no attunement procedure if one excludes the symbols...

some folks do Reiju now, and not the Denju attunement. Only one Reiju. In my own expereince, after some weeks, the students expereince of Reiki lessens.

Reikijim wrote:
Some would argue that it`s merely intent taking over...That`s a weak position, if one really thinks about it. There is just too much individuality in regard to what the symbols can do, to ignore. Also, if intent, is really the end all, do all, then we would all be able to realize most of the things we want in life merely though intent...I know very few who have life mastered in this way ....so...I gotta agree that there is much more going on with the symbols than those who believe "they are just a teaching aid"

This is a big point. 'Intent' is used almost as some form of sacred technique in itself, hehe. It's re-iterated by practitioners that much that they'll defend it like a knight in shining armour, but won't (or can't) show how intent is able to do what's being claimed.

take care
Wayne

Reikijim wrote:

Milarepa wrote: He choose the symbols, and he may have empowered them. Like, for pete's sake, one is a Japanese phrase, and we can absent heal with it! Hehe.


take care
wayne

Yeah...that kinda sums it up nicely...Dosn`t it?

The symbols have always been important to me. It seemed obvious that there was no attunement procedure if one excludes the symbols...Some would argue that it`s merely intent taking over...That`s a weak position, if one really thinks about it. There is just too much individuality in regard to what the symbols can do, to ignore. Also, if intent, is really the end all, do all, then we would all be able to realize most of the things we want in life merely though intent...I know very few who have life mastered in this way ....so...I gotta agree that there is much more going on with the symbols than those who believe "they are just a teaching aid"



RJ

Hi

by all means, symbols aren't there to supplement us (only when and )where our intent was 'weak' and i also hold the faith that even if the intent is strong, nothing goes good without symbols...

but a question always jumps forward for me!... what are symbols themselves....(per se) ?? do they derive their nascent powers from times immemorial from ancient japanese civilization, or they derive their powers from the only moment Usui 'empowered' them to be a 'tool' for bringing certain results like healing, initiation, etc.


what faith in symbols is more often required (taking you Wayne in the loop here) ? do we have to believe in symbols or in a near-reality that symbols were nothing inside reiki practice unless Usui Sensei 'empowered' some of them ?


to be honest, dear Wayne and RJ, whenever i meditate on symbols, the symbols immediately go into the background and a live picture of energy emanating from Usui sensei comes on the limelight, making me wonder, even if there were any symbols ever ?


perhaps ( a big generalization) Usui himself intended that reiki practitioners must connect to him when they would try to connect themselves with symbols... afterall, there is no point believing that the specialized wavelength we call reiki, ever existed (or was accessible) before Usui !!


take care

salman

perhaps ( a big generalization) Usui himself intended that reiki practitioners must connect to him when they would try to connect themselves with symbols... afterall, there is no point believing that the specialized wavelength we call reiki, ever existed (or was accessible) before Usui !!

That's an interesting viewpoint. When I connected
with the Reiki System, I did not feel that I was
connecting with Usui as much as I was connecting
with my own innate healing power. Innate healing
has been around since time began. When Usui found
he had an ability to heal he began to share it with
others. It seems to me that the symbols came later
as he began to develop the Reiki system.

Assalamu alaikum Bro!

Lambs-Wool wrote:

but a question always jumps forward for me!... what are symbols themselves....(per se) ?? do they derive their nascent powers from times immemorial from ancient japanese civilization, or they derive their powers from the only moment Usui 'empowered' them to be a 'tool' for bringing certain results like healing, initiation, etc.

I beleive Usui sensei empowered them, to embody a part of his mystical expereince. This isn't to say they don't have other attributes.

Lambs-Wool wrote:
what faith in symbols is more often required (taking you Wayne in the loop here) ? do we have to believe in symbols or in a near-reality that symbols were nothing inside reiki practice unless Usui Sensei 'empowered' some of them ?

Yes. and no, hehe. On a conscious level, a person may say they they don't beleive in them. We gotta remember though, and this is real important, in level 1, we aren't taught symbols, yet we're initiated into their use.

If, we're not consciously taught bout symbols in level 1, yet still a teacher will obviously initiate another human using symbols (presumably teacher knows there must be some reason), then what is going on? Obvious answer is that in level 1, the symbols are working sub-consciously. So, whatever one says, or thinks bout the symbols, isn't automatically the case, imo.

Lambs-Wool wrote:
to be honest, dear Wayne and RJ, whenever i meditate on symbols, the symbols immediately go into the background and a live picture of energy emanating from Usui sensei comes on the limelight, making me wonder, even if there were any symbols ever ?

You're expereince of meditation, as all meditations are, is your conscious interpretation of looking inside yourself, albeit sub-cosciously, . For sure, symbols, any symbols, aren't required for a person to evolve spiritually, or even heal. However, in Reiki, they're inextricably linked. And if you're initiated with symbols, then they exist.

for example, absent healing, of any nature, is easily done without symbols. that is, without ever being initiated into anything like Reiki. Quantum touch easily shows us how to do this. The mechanism isn't the same, the subtle experience isn't the same. A Japanese phrase is what makes the difference in this, . HSZSN.

Lambs-Wool wrote:
perhaps ( a big generalization) Usui himself intended that reiki practitioners must connect to him when they would try to connect themselves with symbols... afterall, there is no point believing that the specialized wavelength we call reiki, ever existed (or was accessible) before Usui !!

I know what you're saying here, . Please don't mid if i elaborate on it? I agree with the above. This started, in Reiki, with Usui sensei, in which he empowered 2 symbols, and two phrases. He empowered them with aspects of his mystical expereince. So yeah, i feel that everytime we use Reiki, we are connecting to his expereince, and connecting to him. This might go deeper into the meaning of initiatorial lineage, . Might be worth looking into.

good to see you still on the symbols buddy! Once it begins, it never ends!

Take care
Wayne

Lambs-Wool wrote:
perhaps ( a big generalization) Usui himself intended that reiki practitioners must connect to him when they would try to connect themselves with symbols... afterall, there is no point believing that the specialized wavelength we call reiki, ever existed (or was accessible) before Usui !!


take care

salman

Hi,

I see things a bit different. I think the "specialized wavelength" you speak of, has always been there...Yet I could be wrong. Usui-sensi applied a label. As we all know, the term "reiki" applies to more than one thing... r e i k i word/kanji/pictogram...take your pick...merely a way of identifying an element in the Universe...

RJ