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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by LuvSoulJah on Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:37 am

    :)hehe, that's why I put the "just for today" in brackets. I can relate to what you are saying... But at the same time scanning my brain for referrences. The mind and the brain are seperate entities... and in a way yes I am "my" mind atleast I am part of a mind...

    The funny thing is that I can see so many similarities in what (I am not sure of) it is that you're doing lol! scratch ...and 'the way of the toltec warrior' (warrior because one has declared war with the inner chatter that gets in the way between you and bliss: the judge, the victim and all the agreements that one may have made/entered knowingly or unknowingly... and the labels one has given one's self/been given i.e the 10 commandments or Usui Shiki Ryoho v.s Usui Reiki Ryoho or "I'm a chef, Reiki Master/teacher" or "you're a loser!" or whatever.

    And Tom Kenyon, in his book teaches a lot of things about the brain/mind. How it works and how you can make it work for you, i.e produce them bliss chemicals such as dopamine or DMT, amongst other things.

    But like Colin said, "However, usually, especially if you have explored several different paths, you come to the conclusion that they all lead to the same place...within!"

    With that said I'm gonna stop making noise here now.... and wish you happy trails


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Milarepa on Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:27 am

    There's a possibility I am not any part of my mind. 'Possibility' cause i don't know as of yet. If I say right here & now that I am, who or what is saying it? It is of course my re-conditioned mind! Hardly the most trustworthy of witnesses. And, a witness that has a vested interest in keeping the status quo. I could be fooling myself with this approach.

    What's going to be very interesting for me is how, and if, I can/want to integrate Reiki into the constant practice. I'm working on a way to bring about the effect of hand treatments, without doing anything physical. without also using, or adapting anothers techniques. If i can do that, i might have the option of making Reiki an actual constant treatment.

    I think that would be nice! then, it might not actually be me thinking that, haha. Am i the feeling that enjoys Reiki. Am i the hate felt at getting shot at. The joy of snuggling my wife. What even is 'my wife'. affraid

    Maybe my mind has fooled me into thinking I am all these things. Maybe it was my free will that decided such things. If we look at it, there is no such thing as free will. My feelings, beliefs, reactions are a product of society. The collective interpretations of it. and my minds understandings.

    what if... This is akin to the Matrix. To use an analogy. Yeah, the film. I think I understand things. Think I understand myself. Yet it is all a smokescreen. Created by my mind. And it's relationships. To continually make me blind to something that is already there. If the real I is being fooled. Can i trust any understandings i have.


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by LuvSoulJah on Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:20 am

    Smokey mirrors...

    Society or atleast the greater part of it has become domesticized, people's personalities belief systems and behaviour, influenced/informed/shaped by their suroundings/environment... by culture... To such an extent that, for the most part we just walk through life doing what we are expected to do by society... to be part of the status qou, without ever questioning any of it... or maybe atleast not till some catalyst, like losing someone close or being on one's own death bed, stirs something inside of us, to question all of this and why we are here... Or simply just "WHY we ARE at all?".

    Others yet might see it all but feel powerless against it... so they just carry on...
    Some become perpetual truth seekers... to find their own truth.. where they fit in all of this and how they can break away from the chains of societal status quo and set themselves free. Others believe in blind faith... Some are so scared by anything that doesn't fit inside their paradigm that they shut everything else out.

    Some are so caught up in this 3D reality that they believe that this is it "the be all and end all..." this is their only existence and the only goal of this reality is to accumulate as much material wealth as possible... Some, once they have achieved this goal, think they have reached some kind of God-status, and become power hungry control freaks...maybe they have reached their version of 'enlightenment' because they have figured out how to control people and now even nature itself.

    For me, enlightenment, or atleast a part of it, is knowing that I am more than my physical body.... I know this because I have experienced conscious awareness outside of my physical form.

    But enlightenement doesn't necessarily equate to bliss or happiness. You can only achieve that by living and doing the things that make you happy and expressing yourself as you truely are....

    Whatever else we search for surely we will find in death... in that sense we are all on the road to enlightenment.

    So for now let's just enjoy the ride.....

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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Milarepa on Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:45 am

    LuvSoulJah wrote:

    But enlightenement doesn't necessarily equate to bliss or happiness.


    I'm not sure what it equates to. I know others have said in their experiences that bliss & happiness may be one of the final stages before it. i plan to find out myself. Why not. Is it UN-spiritual to have that as an ambition. If the shoe fits me, ha-ha!


    LuvSoulJah wrote:
    You can only achieve that by living and doing the things that make you happy and expressing yourself as you truely are....



    This is the thing. If we stick to what our mind wants it is this case. It's highly related to this whole topic so great it's brought up. Our mind is what makes things good, bad, exciting, boring, etc. and this is based on conditioning. We are controlled by environmental factors then. Really all the things that bring the emotions are not what those emotions actually are. Rain is not good. nor bad. Only the mind makes it so. Getting hot wax poured on my nuts isn't good nor bad. Different minds will make it each.


    What if. Suppose I really was not the trivial thoughts, expressions, beliefs, judgements that make this superficial existence of mine so varied in my emotions. What experience may be left. Maybe the natural experience. And what if this natural experience was/is pure happiness. I don't know if this is the case. Which is the point.

    The mind creates turmoil. We know that. So why could it not be recognised that something that creates the turmoil should not be trusted in it's reasoning.

    so if these events are not the way they are interpreted by the mind. and the mind cant' be trusted. Just what else is it doing to us that we don't realise.

    now I'm getting back to writing about when the government experimented on me. In my book. Oh, the memories.... i'm surprised i turned out balanced. What a Face


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by chi_solas on Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:57 pm

    great discussion

    The mind is a powerful thing
    if you know how to work with
    your subconscious you will be
    amazed at what the universe
    has to offer bounce sunny


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Reikijim on Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:18 pm


    Hello,

    Great conversation guys...lots to think about...thanks for sharing your ideas...

    Jim

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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by chi_solas on Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:07 am

    Reikijim wrote:
    Hello,

    Great conversation guys...lots to think about...thanks for sharing your ideas...

    Jim


    Hi ReikiJim, Happy New Year Arrow


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Reikijim on Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:20 am



    Thx Bridget...

    I send good wishes your way as well...

    jim

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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Rlei_ki on Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:35 pm

    Milarepa wrote:...now I'm getting back to writing about when the government experimented on me...


    Huh?!



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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Milarepa on Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:43 pm

    It'll be in the book, Smile


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Rlei_ki on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:25 pm

    Milarepa wrote:It'll be in the book, Smile


    Aw, c'mon now

    a few "Spoilers" please

    Laughing




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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Milarepa on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:39 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/events/285106131540790/


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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by Godiva on Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 pm

    Interesting ideas, Wayne. I do theoretically understand possibly the "idea" where you want to go, although i have not yet experienced it myself (in the way that I felt the "great pull" to radically set aside all thoughts, things, etc, maybe mainly due to practicalities).

    Once you set foot on that path (maybe you already have, it sounds like you have!), it will be very interesting indeed!

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    Post by Milarepa on Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:52 pm



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    Re: There is no Spirit

    Post by mike tyson on Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:52 pm

    Milarepa wrote:I'm placing this in our Reiki catalyst section. It hasn't went as far as a catalyst for me. Certainly not a Reiki one. Perhaps as i write it Will develop. You are welcome to watch, take part, or knowingly smile at me. Here. In this journey.

    Ya know. It's 1am. My family is all tucked up in bed. I'm sitting in our dining area. We've got a big comfy seat with a foot-rest. We got it for free on gumtree from a kind person. We all love this chair. I'm in one of those places. Spaces. Mindsets. Where all feels right. All is perfect. All is at peace.

    I feel really different tonight. Well, right now. It's been a tough week for me. A really hard one. One I've finally, definitely, crossed over. Out of the storm. One that has held me for a long time. In due time I'll share that with you. Suffice to say, often when major events occur in our lives, providing we are able to transcend it we might enter into a calming period. Like a ship that has been battered against the high seas. Still afloat. The waves are calming. The violent froth is dissipating. You've been there. You know what i mean. Know what way i feel.

    So. Now you're able to appreciate some where i am right now within myself. Outside myself. I'll move to the point. I had the greatest fortune in meeting someone quite special some weeks ago. Though i think he would insist he is nothing special. I wont attempt to identify him in any way. I said i wouldn't. His story in't common. Some will appreciate it. Others will perhaps be surprised.

    He is in one of the last stages before enlightenment. I'm talking about bliss. Constant bliss. He constantly has an experiences similar to taking cocaine. It's how he describes it. This is pretty interesting in itself. There is something more.

    This guy is heading toward a culminate stage of present human evolution = enlightenment. By his own estimates he still has some way to go. However he could be as close as 95% there. He speaks facts to me. He certainly needs no money, believe me. He seeks no fame. Even though he has wrote what i would call spiritual texts that rival any of the mainstream global teachers, he keeps them private. Sharing with friends only. Even talking about this i am told isn't his preference. Certainly the guy is an enigma to me!

    What is very impressive to me is i would say this guy is on a highly spiritual path. Miles ahead of me i would say. Though he would likely say all he has achieved is already within all of us. He has got to where he is by science alone. There is no belief system he holds to. In fact, i am unsure if he even has any belief in God, Divinity, etc. For him, he has indeed studied extensively many of the worlds teachers. Naming two highly of note. However, he has also studied neuroscience. It is from this angle he approaches things.

    This 'scientist', is achieving within a relatively short time what is eluding many of us spiritually. and might continue to do so. Isn't this supposed to be our birthright though! Granted he has put a lot of personal work into things. It was a bit of a bomb-shell for me to see someone of science go a way that i myself am long waaay of.

    Through his studies of others, he would freely admit that he became reconditioned. After all, he was absorbing, believing, and practises someone Else's truths. Of course he was reconditioned in a good way, but reconditioned he was still. He has came up with a really simple practise. It is so simple. Amazingly simple. Maybe others have also thought of it. I just haven't heard. What has impressed me. Was that he is what he says he is. Actually, when i was with him due to a work-type meeting i actually thought he was on drugs sometimes. He seemed to be on another level to me. And, for some days after meeting him, i was having major spiritual experiences.

    So. Reiki. Reiki catalyst? You might see where this is headed. The platform that a person uses in order to achieve their full potential really isn't important. Literally. It is one thing to read about someone who is achieving enlightenment via solely science, but quite another to see it in person.

    My style. Your style. Any style. Style itself. It can surely not be important. More-so, perhaps even sticking to, dogmatically, or even loosely a Reiki style/Reiki expression - may actually be merely re-conditioning oneself. Holding back you & I from achieving our own potential. If i am sitting within the shadow, am i still casting my own? How bright is my light?

    I wonder. Does Reiki interact with anything spiritual. Yep. I've said it. If my friend can do this without spirit, or at least - a belief in one. Surely i don't need to believe in spirit for Reiki. Of course this is possible. Can i go a little further though? To concentrate solely on using Reiki personally for myself in a more scientific type way?

    My friend sees his bliss feeling related to dopamine. I had thought it was maybe DMT. He corrected me today though. It is strange a little. The weeks leading up to this meeting i began to feel more drawn to using only 4 hand placements. Three are on my head. One is at my heart. I look at so many hand placements around the head from different traditions. I look at the Pineal, pituitary, hypothalamus, thalamus, and be drawn to those areas for my more focused spiritual development. The heart, i need that area in order for me to remain 'good' around people. As in able to interact with people. This is what I'm drawn to for some time.

    If i would concentrate on my Reiki treatments in a more scientific way, targeting like this, i feel certain it will spring-board things for me. And why not? My own feelings, theories, are as good as any other persons. As is yours for your path.

    So, for an experiment i'm entering into my practices in a much less spiritual, much more scientific way. I dont know how it will pan out. I feel excited. I have had to come to terms over the last year with the fact that i dont really know if there is anything after this life. Tha ti dont know if there is a God.

    It is a far cry from the former me. I loved God. Was convinced of an afterlife. Reiki was my proof. Something major has changed. Reiki is still in my life. Entering a new phase now. It is too early to say whether i have weakened or depend my practice.

    I enjoyed immense depth by going more spiritual before. I'm excited now. I'm travelling a path very new to me. Highly uncertain. i'm a trailblazer for myself. Listening to no-one elses ways. Respecting. Casting aside every single dmgmatic, or assumed belief. Eery single thing i've read on here. I've wrote on here. Every piece of advice, guidance, tuition i've ever been gave. Starting from scratch.

    Not sure exactly where that is. I'm surprised the way this topic has took me. I started with a hint of an idea. Some apprehensive excitment. And boy am i smiling now!!


    Thanks for reading.

    Warmest of wishes
    Wayne


    That's fine, but in my opinion. Reiki without God would make the experience very empty. Im enjoying building my relationship with God or the Spirit which are the same. If your friend wants to do this soley as a scientific experience. How will he claim to have spiritual enlightment?

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