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    Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Rlei_ki on Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:06 am

    an interesting article from the Reiki Kyokai website*

    Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?








    [* thought I'd best refer to the site rather than the author as I know that the mere mention of the name "Robert Jefford" gives Wayne palpitations!
    Oops.
    Darn - I just mentioned him, didn't I?
    Sorry Wayne Twisted Evil ]

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Milarepa on Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:54 am

    damn you! How dare you speak blasphemy in these hollowed halls! Hehe!

    It's interesting RJ seems to think that Doi first studied Reiki with Meiko Mitsui. Ey goes on to say next sentence about the Gakkai. RJ told me the Gakkai does exist, as does Suzuki San. I rest my case...


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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Frank on Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:03 am

    Hi,

    I haven't read the entire article but I agree with the statement "Reiju does not attune to Reiki".

    Reiju can be called a spiritual blessing. Just as everything on the path Usui-sensei taught, Reiju is only an aid. (A very special aid though.) It is not the beginning of his teachings or the path and not the end. It is an aid on the path towards happiness, balance, harmony, spiritual growth and ultimately spiritual enlightenment.

    The general thought or application of a Reiki attunement is that it cleans the recipient's energy and that it connects or gives the connection to Reiki. People also tend to think that an attunement gives abilities like being able to perform distant healings.

    Within Usui Reiki Ryōhō Reiju is not used to connect or give a student anything.
    It is merely an energetic opportunity created by the Shihan (teacher) for the student to get what is needed at that specific moment on their own path towards enlightenment.

    Only from my point of view: someone who does use Reiju in order to attune/connect a student, does not understand what Usui-sensei tried to teach.

    Reiju is not used to give, for there is nothing to give. It is not an attunement, for there is nothing outside of someone to be connected to.

    *Gasshō*
    Frank

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Rlei_ki on Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:42 am

    Frank wrote:Reiju is not used to give, for there is nothing to give. ...



    Interesting then, how the term 'reiju' is commonly written: 霊授

    - 授 implying: to give / grant / confer / impart etc.


    The term Reiju is a 'two-sided concept'

    霊授 is one half of the concept

    the other, complementary half of the concept is written is 霊受
    (also pronounced 'Reiju')

    - 受 implying: to accept / undergo / get / receive etc


    Reiju is all about 'Giving and Receiving' - the sharing of a Spiritual Experience


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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Frank on Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:19 am

    Hi,

    Yes, something is conferred within the ritual.
    It actually is both true. (Yet, it still doesn't connect or attune.)

    A Reiju is performed in a state of oneness.
    At such a moment -everything- is -now- and everything is -one- and there is no separation.
    In view of this state of Being there is nothing to give, nothing to connect 'someone' to.

    The Shihan is only present, being in that state. This energetic space is a created opportunity for the student to start seeing the same limitlessness the Shihan sees.
    The 'sight' is not given or forced. A situation in which the student can see more and more with every step is what's created and it is up to the student if (s)he takes that opportunity.

    So yes, there is a lot going on when Reiju is performed and a lot of energy is involved.
    Still, at the same time there is nothing to be given or to be connected to.

    It is extremely hard to explain and even harder to understand when someone is not familiar with the state in which a Reiju should be performed (general statement, not personal in any way to anyone).

    And that's the reason most people who do understand tend to often (not always) prefer silence and don't talk about it.

    *Gasshō*
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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Rlei_ki on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:56 am

    Hi Frank

    Frank wrote:A Reiju is performed in a state of oneness.
    At such a moment -everything- is -now- and everything is -one- and there is no separation...

    ...It is extremely hard to explain and even harder to understand when someone is not familiar with the state in which a Reiju should be performed ...


    Of course, in the end it all comes down to just what precisely different people mean by the use of the term 'Reiju'.

    The Does Reiju Attune to Reiki? article, is looking essentially at the 'Reiju' created by Hiroshi Doi - which as stated, he devised (probably based on a short-form seated Reiki treatment) in an attempt to emulate the experience of receiving Gakkai (i.e. Usui Reiki Ryoho) reiju.

    Now, while on one hand we have the 'original' concept (found not just within Reiki Ryoho) of what a 'reiju' is:
    a complementary experience - giving and receiving - sharing of a particular spiritual phenomenon
    it would seem that, in Doi's usage of the term, the focus is mainly on practical enhancement / strengthening of Reiki flow.

    So, even from the initial introduction of the term 'reiju' by Doi, we already had to somewhat different understandings of the term.

    Then, some time after Doi introduced the concept of Reiju, Chris Marsh – who in his early courses included research by Doi - introduced what he claimed was the 'original' method of reiju used by Usui-sensei.
    (Essentially, it is from Chris's theories, that we get the belief that reiju does not confer anything on the student.*)

    Others have also devised their own versions of reiju based on Doi's process.
    Some are essentially Doi's process with minor modifications (such as the specific positions used)
    Others still, have added either standard or alternative versions of the Usui Reiki symbols – or even extra non-Usui symbols.
    And likewise, different people have developed different types of reiju, intended to accomplish different things.

    And over time, the lines between 'denju' [i.e. the more familiar initiation/attunement process] and 'reiju' have become somewhat blurred, with some practitioners devising new reijus which combine elements of both Doi's reiju and the more commonly practised denju.

    And to perhaps confuse matters even more, several people simply now use the term 'reiju' to refer to their own pre-existing 'initiation' / 'attunement' practices.


    So, as to the original question "Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?", I suppose, it all depends on which particular reiju we are talking about.
    Smile


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    * Actually, on some levels, Chris's concept of what reiju entails, harks back to something that was popular in Reiki circles in the 80's and 90's (but something you don't really hear mentioned much any more):

    the concept of “Holding the Healing Space” (also phrased as “Holding the Energetic Space”)

    The term was used to refer to the whole process of facilitating the client's 'opportunity for healing' - the creating and maintaining ('holding') of a suitable environment - not just the physical environment but also (and more importantly) the emotional and energetic 'environment': a safe and relaxing psychological 'inner space' in which the individual can heal themself, with Reiki's assistance.

    “Holding the Healing Space” “Holding the Energetic Space” - was (/is) all about what enhances the experience for the particular individual, enabling them to take – to accept - from the experience what is most appropriate and relevant for them, at the given time.

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Reikijim on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:48 pm

    Rlei_ki wrote:



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    * Actually, on some levels, Chris's concept of what reiju entails, harks back to something that was popular in Reiki circles in the 80's and 90's (but something you don't really hear mentioned much any more):

    the concept of “Holding the Healing Space” (also phrased as “Holding the Energetic Space”)

    The term was used to refer to the whole process of facilitating the client's 'opportunity for healing' - the creating and maintaining ('holding') of a suitable environment - not just the physical environment but also (and more importantly) the emotional and energetic 'environment': a safe and relaxing psychological 'inner space' in which the individual can heal themself, with Reiki's assistance.

    “Holding the Healing Space” “Holding the Energetic Space” - was (/is) all about what enhances the experience for the particular individual, enabling them to take – to accept - from the experience what is most appropriate and relevant for them, at the given time.


    Hi James,

    i remember you asking me about "holding a healing space" at Remy`s site about 5 years ago...

    I was wondering...for exanple...you have a person in a duitable physical enviroment to facilitate their healing...when you say "to help facilitate a safe and relaxing psycho;ogical "inner space" , is it not contact with Reiki itself that enables the person to get there?

    So could it be said that the person/client may be creating their own inner healing space with the assistance of Reiki initially?

    You mention about a safe psychological inner space, yet you mention holding a safe emotional/energetic environment as well. It sounds like it`s external and internal to the client, like we create an energy field around them, but to me, I thought it all happened internally and in the energy field close to the body, not a seperate thing, with a defined purpose outside of healing directly...

    Do I sound confused...cause i am... rabbit


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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Reikijim on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:04 pm

    Rlei_ki wrote:
    queen of clean wrote:
    is this the general drift of this topic? or am i off the mark Question queen

    Reikijim wrote: Well...no Laughing The topic was initially about creating and defining a healing space...I hope...scratch


    Well... no Jim - originally, the topic was actually about reiju Laughing

    but that's the great thing about topics on this forum, they evolve and flow in various directions - just like good conversations should do Very Happy



    Hi James

    Ah yes...the title of the thread should be an indicator.... Shocked Very Happy

    It is truly amazing when I think of what I have learned through people/friends at this forum, and Remy`s forum in days gone by.

    When I talk with local reiki masters who choose not to look outside of their original teachings, I find that it`s wise to nod, agree alot and not say much ... facesmiling

    Jim


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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Rlei_ki on Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:27 pm

    Reikijim wrote:
    Hi James,
    i remember you asking me about "holding a healing space" at Remy`s site about 5 years ago...



    NOTE:

    This thread has now been split: Discussion about "Holding the Healing Space" continues here:

    Holding the Healing Space

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by queen of clean on Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:05 am

    i've read James Deacon's announcement re. the usui reiju process and he refers to the sharing of reiju as the spiritual gift given by the teacher to his/her student and the teacher lets reiki flow throughout the student's field during the process of giving reiju. what i can't quite gather though is this
    was reiju before or after usui began his reiki journey
    because James Deacon says
    THE EARLIEST VERSION OF THE USUI REIJU PROCESS YET DISCOVERED
    Copyright © 2006 James Deacon




    either way reiju has a elegance about it, it's sort of like a blessing one given between teacher and student not i think for general use



    confused this is in the right spot isn't it . i'm still learning about how this forum works scratch queen [u]

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Rlei_ki on Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:20 am

    Hi Queen
    Embarassed

    queen of clean wrote:... James Deacon says
    THE EARLIEST VERSION OF THE USUI REIJU PROCESS YET DISCOVERED
    Copyright © 2006 James Deacon


    er, firstly, I should perhaps draw your attention to the fact that the
    "THE EARLIEST VERSION OF THE USUI REIJU PROCESS YET DISCOVERED" article is part of the Reiki Fuushi section of AETW.org [See caveat on this page]

    Embarassed Twisted Evil

    a more reliable description of a reiju method can be seen HERE

    queen of clean wrote:.. what i can't quite gather though is this
    was reiju before or after usui began his reiki journey


    Certainly, the concept of 'reiju' (the sharing of a blessing or Spiritual Gift) existed before Usui-sensei began his Reiki journey.

    However, we don't really know the precise form that the particular Reiju process utilised by Usui-sensei actually took [even though some people do claim to know the 'genuine original' Usui version] - nor can we be 100% sure as to the precise nature of the 'blessing' he sought to confer via his reiju.



    queen of clean wrote:
    ...this is in the right spot isn't it . i'm still learning about how this forum works...

    Yes it is Smile

    unless Salman decides to re-split this topic and move things around again Laughing Razz

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Lambs-Wool on Sun May 01, 2011 8:09 am

    oh my god Smile

    Laughing

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by queen of clean on Thu May 05, 2011 9:44 pm

    flower
    am i right in this?
    reiju is a separate attunement which is given on a regular basis Question
    this is what i read in reiki for dummies page 108 under the heading
    what about repeating attunements?

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Rlei_ki on Sun May 08, 2011 8:25 am

    queen of clean wrote: flower
    am i right in this?
    reiju is a separate attunement which is given on a regular basis Question
    ..


    Yes. and No. Laughing

    As I mentioned previously, different people use the term reiju to refer to slightly different practices, with slightly different intent behind them.

    Several people use the term to refer to the regular initiation process - the familiar, set number of 'attunements' given to the student at each of the training levels

    Generally though, most people use the term to refer to an "empowering technique", which is performed for student on a regular basis (throughout the training seminar/course, and after that, perhaps on a weekly or monthly basis at Reiki shares or other follow-up sessions)

    Many feel that the Reiju process (in the form taught by Hiroshi Doi, and variations thereof) does exactly the same as the regular 'attunement' process, but in a gradual or incremental way.

    Though, as can be seen from the original article which is the foundation for this topic, not everyone considers reiju to be an 'attunement' per se


    For many, Reiju is simply on a par with the "Reiki Boost" technique found in Western style Reiki.


    Then again, as I point out in the Interview with Hiroshi Doi topic,
    Doi states:
    "In Kyoto I was newly initiated into Reiki by Mrs Koyama, the 6th President, in due form of traditional Reiki Ryoho Reiju (Gakkai style attunement)"

    So here, for Doi, Reiju and 'attunement' are one and the same.

    And as far back as 1986, in a Reiki article in the Japanese magazine: The Twilight Zone article, Fumio Ogawa (his adoptive father had learnt Reiki from one of Usui-Sensei's students: Kanichi Taketomi ) describes reiju thus:
    ".. it would be fair to think it means "opening the channel to receive the cosmic energy"


    is that an attunement? Is that an empowerment? Is that a Blessing?

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    Re: Does Reiju Attune To Reiki?

    Post by Dokasan on Thu May 12, 2011 2:03 pm

    Does Reiju attune to Reiki? I believe it does.

    When giving Western attunements and Reiju most of my students prefer the Reiju. They say the energy connection is cleaner, clearer/finer.

    Technically, attunements and reiju are rituals that connect you by the act of performing said ritual to a different time and space. At least it seems that way for me.

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