catsquotl wrote:

Instead the overall feel seems to be. We can't know So don't bother asking.

we're not like that here Eeleco, . RLL is all about discovery. Both myself & Andy have debated long on here about where Reiki flows. I feel it flows nowhere. I'm kinda busy with other things lately, so havn't been on here as much, which is why i havn't got into this topic.

Push the boundaries as much as you want on here, that kind of way of being is most welcome.

wamrest wishes
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:

catsquotl wrote:

Instead the overall feel seems to be. We can't know So don't bother asking.

we're not like that here Eeleco, . RLL is all about discovery. Both myself & Andy have debated long on here about where Reiki flows. I feel it flows nowhere. I'm kinda busy with other things lately, so havn't been on here as much, which is why i havn't got into this topic.

Push the boundaries as much as you want on here, that kind of way of being is most welcome.

wamrest wishes
Wayne

Hi Eeleco

Please don't feel that just because Wayne and I (and some others) have certain views about Reiki that we think that our view is the correct one!

It is always good to ask questions and share our individual understanding. Sometimes, reading what someone has shared can generate an "Aha!" moment that changes how you may have perceived something - even if you have held that perception for a long time! Or it may just re-enforce your own perception.

I was just thinking about the weather and watching the trees blowing in the wind and my thoughts turned to Reiki (as they often do! ).

As was mentioned previously, it could be that the whole word 'Reiki' is meant to describe a phenomenon, not split into 'Rei' and 'Ki' ('Spiritual/Mysterious' and "(Life Force) Energy') i.e. spiritual energy.

Here's where the weather comes in: the Japanese for weather is 'tenki' and if we split this word into two we get 'ten' (Heaven) and 'ki' (energy) - heavenly energy -but it is a single word 'tenki' that describes the phenomenon of 'weather'.

Weather is a phenomenon that you can't measure, rather like Reiki!

Yes, we can measure the effects of the weather, such as amount of rain fall, temperatures, wind speed etc. but we can't actually measure weather itself, we can only perceive and measure it's effects.

When you feel the wind on your face what you are actually feeling is the stream of air molecules crashing into your face. This stream of molecules is not the wind it is an effect of the wind. The phenomenon of wind initiated the movement of the air molecules and windspeed is really a measure how fast that stream of air molecules is travelling.

Similarly, with Reiki, I think that what some people perceive as Reiki, e.g. warm/tingling hands, the flow of Ki in meridians or energy in chakras etc., is actually an effect of Reiki, rather than Reiki itself. The phenomenon of Reiki initiates the flow of Ki, Universal Life Force Energy, the spinning of the chakras etc. We can't measure Reiki but we may be able to perceive and measure its effects.

As I have said before: "Ki flows, Reiki glows!"

But this is just how I think about what Reiki is and what feels right to me may not feel right for others. We live in a world of Perception not a world of Actuality.

Milarepa wrote:

catsquotl wrote:

Instead the overall feel seems to be. We can't know So don't bother asking.

we're not like that here Eeleco, . RLL is all about discovery. Both myself & Andy have debated long on here about where Reiki flows. I feel it flows nowhere. I'm kinda busy with other things lately, so havn't been on here as much, which is why i havn't got into this topic.

Push the boundaries as much as you want on here, that kind of way of being is most welcome.

wamrest wishes
Wayne

Discovery is the key word.
There is no one way, we each
experience the Reiki energy
according to our physical,
emotional, and spiritual needs

[quote="Colin"]

Milarepa wrote:

catsquotl wrote:

Instead the overall feel seems to be. We can't know So don't bother asking.

we're not like that here Eeleco, . RLL is all about discovery. Both myself & Andy have debated long on here about where Reiki flows. I feel it flows nowhere. I'm kinda busy with other things lately, so havn't been on here as much, which is why i havn't got into this topic.

Push the boundaries as much as you want on here, that kind of way of being is most welcome.

wamrest wishes
Wayne

Hi Eeleco

Please don't feel that just because Wayne and I (and some others) have certain views about Reiki that we think that our view is the correct one!

Your right Colin our opinions are
just our opinions. We may share
similiar experiences as we journey
the Reiki path. Feed back from our
clients build on our opinions. No
two clients have the same experience.

It is always good to ask questions and share our individual understanding. Sometimes, reading what someone has shared can generate an "Aha!" moment that changes how you may have perceived something - even if you have held that perception for a long time! Or it may just re-enforce your own perception.

I have had those "Aha" moments. They
can pop up at the most un-expected
times.

I was just thinking about the weather and watching the trees blowing in the wind and my thoughts turned to Reiki (as they often do! ).

As was mentioned previously, it could be that the whole word 'Reiki' is meant to describe a phenomenon, not split into 'Rei' and 'Ki' ('Spiritual/Mysterious' and "(Life Force) Energy') i.e. spiritual energy.

Here's where the weather comes in: the Japanese for weather is 'tenki' and if we split this word into two we get 'ten' (Heaven) and 'ki' (energy) - heavenly energy -but it is a single word 'tenki' that describes the phenomenon of 'weather'.

Weather is a phenomenon that you can't measure, rather like Reiki!

excellent point. I have used nature
to explain Reiki energy. Living here
in New England we have the 4 seasons.
A life cycle where you can see clearly
how the energy of life works and spring
is the re-birth

Yes, we can measure the effects of the weather, such as amount of rain fall, temperatures, wind speed etc. but we can't actually measure weather itself, we can only perceive and measure it's effects.

When you feel the wind on your face what you are actually feeling is the stream of air molecules crashing into your face. This stream of molecules is not the wind it is an effect of the wind. The phenomenon of wind initiated the movement of the air molecules and windspeed is really a measure how fast that stream of air molecules is travelling.

Similarly, with Reiki, I think that what some people perceive as Reiki, e.g. warm/tingling hands, the flow of Ki in meridians or energy in chakras etc., is actually an effect of Reiki, rather than Reiki itself. The phenomenon of Reiki initiates the flow of Ki, Universal Life Force Energy, the spinning of the chakras etc. We can't measure Reiki but we may be able to perceive and measure its effects.

As I have said before: "Ki flows, Reiki glows!"

Reiki is about moving blocked energy
IMO every twitch,tingling,itch ect;
that happens during a Reiki session
is energy moving. Some folks need to
know how is the energy traveling. IMO
the body operates as a whole and the
breath starts the domino affect. Take
away the breath and nothing is going
to happen. The mind moves the energy
to the different parts of the body.
The path traveled depends on who you
speak to and what energy medicine they
practice.

But this is just how I think about what Reiki is and what feels right to me may not feel right for others. We live in a world of Perception not a world of Actuality.

Maybe we have 3 energy paths to follow
not just one. Mind,Body,Soul

If Reiki is all the above, what then is healing?

Buck wrote:If Reiki is all the above, what then is healing?

IMO: Healing is a dynamic process of moving towards a state of balance, harmony and wholeness. Using Reiki is one way (but not the only way) that healing can be enhanced.

I like that one...
hmm for healing to occur we should define health first...

Health:
Having the energy to make your dreams come true..

So healing is any modality which balances,harmonizes and ad's energy in such a way you feel whole, without leakage and in such a way you feel empowered enough to take the necessary steps to pursue what you dream of.

Something like that
with love
Eelco

reading above, a question rises to me that whether we want to experience reiki in order to know it, or to know reiki in order that we experience it better afterwards ??




take care
salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:reading above, a question rises to me that whether we want to experience reiki in order to know it, or to know reiki in order that we experience it better afterwards ??




take care
salman

Hi Salman!

I think that first, we need to know about the existence of Reiki - this is through (originally) Mikao Usui and the experience of others.

Then we need to experience Reiki ourselves, through following the techniques Mikao Usui and his students and our Reiki teachers taught.

Then we need to keep practicing so that we can enhance our experience of Reiki and be able to pass on our experience to others, if that is what we wish.

yes indeed Colin

this is how we are logically supposed to proceed, but do we ??

take care

thanks

salman

fascinating thread, and I agree with so many comments.......

I have experienced the power of Reiki in so many different ways....Ultimately for me Reiki is akin to Divine Love, which manifests itself in what ever way it can best be utilised to help heal.....


It 'flows', emanates, gently seeps into, gently awakens and stirs in what ever way is necessary for the recipient.....and it does this in a multi-dimensional way....

hopefully there will come a time when the physiological responses of the body during a reiki treatment will be scientifically measured, but even then science does not have the facilities to measure the deeper affects at a multi-diemnsional level.

Pachamama wrote:fascinating thread, and I agree with so many comments.......

I have experienced the power of Reiki in so many different ways....Ultimately for me Reiki is akin to Divine Love, which manifests itself in what ever way it can best be utilised to help heal.....


It 'flows', emanates, gently seeps into, gently awakens and stirs in what ever way is necessary for the recipient.....and it does this in a multi-dimensional way....

hopefully there will come a time when the physiological responses of the body during a reiki treatment will be scientifically measured, but even then science does not have the facilities to measure the deeper affects at a multi-diemnsional level.

I love the way you describe the flow