hi buddies

we have HSZSN that is, inter alia, a 'call for mindfulness'!

we have power symbol CKR to 'put the power here'.

we have DKM giving us a 'great shining light'

and yes, we have SHK that 'soothes' away mental/emotional problems.

to the extent of our understanding, we have ascribed 'functions' to the symbols and there is a possibility that symbols work beyond our comprehension, on several sub-atomic levels, and on several supra-consciousness levels.


meditation on symbols has been a lovely exercise.. you meditate a big CKR hovering above your head and showering reiki on you, you feel it does! you imagine you are made of light when meditating on DKM, and you really feel that happening.. sometimes we ascribe CKR with earth energies and SHK with heavenly energies, and that too works well for people among us who hold this beilef.


certainly meditation is a good nurturing exercise for mind, body and spirit, and it has always been a source of revealation, satori, and thunderbolt experiences for sages, saints and spiritual people. i wonder, however, if the symbols were given to us within reiki with the objective of meditating upon them ??

while we keep on meditating on symbols in a way we choose, we gradually keep programming our perception that our meditation is 'increasing' the powers of symbols, and in a way the more we meditate on symbols, more their powers are enhanced. is this a fallacy of our working ego and an ego trip of our rational mind ?

do symbols really need us 'meditating' upon them so that they unravel their real power to us ?

my personal feel is that symbols are triggered by 'intent' and meditation on symbols, although beneficial to our mental/spiritual faculties, is not an essential ingredient to make symbols working more powerfully!

within reiki, many things are subtle.. if we draw CKR once during a treatment and notwithstanding our rational mind suggests us that we should meditate on CKR to make a powerful reiki session, CKR is already at work!!


best regards



salman

only skipping through your post buddy. i'm pished for time in the libray!

the symbols are triggered by intent if we know what intent to use. often this is the superficial Reiki use we all know.

if we meditate (as in focus) on the symbols both intellectually, academically, and experientially, lots more comes. it's this apporach, utilizing all aspects of a human, mind, body, spirit, that will unlock things within the symbols.

i think. hehe.

warmest wishes
wayne

Lambs-Wool wrote:
certainly meditation is a good nurturing exercise for mind, body and spirit, and it has always been a source of revealation, satori, and thunderbolt experiences for sages, saints and spiritual people. i wonder, however, if the symbols were given to us within reiki with the objective of meditating upon them ??

I would have to guess that the primary reason we have symbols is to help focus our minds on something that the mind would have trouble finding initially. A symbol is like finding a light switch in a dark room, a connection point that allows us to view/experience more of everything.
Once you are atttuned to a symbol, I would hazard to guess that it is within you on one level or another or many.To understand the symbol is to take the stance of understanding yourself and the new boundries the universe has set for us post attunement.

Lambs-Wool wrote:
while we keep on meditating on symbols in a way we choose, we gradually keep programming our perception that our meditation is 'increasing' the powers of symbols, and in a way the more we meditate on symbols, more their powers are enhanced. is this a fallacy of our working ego and an ego trip of our rational mind ?

do symbols really need us 'meditating' upon them so that they unravel their real power to us ?

No...I do not look for "extra power". The symbol enhances who and what you are. I think it might be more accurate to say "more understanding of self and surroundings through symbol meditation"

The symbols need nothing. It`s not about "their power" its about what one can learn through meditative focus on this symbol that is embedded within us. The symbol is a teacher who`s purpose is to empower us. The power lies within us. The symbol connects us to this, and through meditation we hopefully develope a better, more enlightened sense of who we are, and what we are capable of.

Jim

Salman wrote:
a very beautiful post Jim

I have to say more, and i will be back tomorrow to edit this brief response as it is already 3:17 am here atm

Take care

here i go :

Wayne wrote:
the symbols are triggered by intent if we know what intent to use. often this is the superficial Reiki use we all know.

if we meditate (as in focus) on the symbols both intellectually, academically, and experientially, lots more comes. it's this apporach, utilizing all aspects of a human, mind, body, spirit, that will unlock things within the symbols.

yes of course if we try to shoot a bird with a cannon, its just 'our' choice!
i feel Wayne, that symbols are more to do with reiki ability itself, instead of our ability to do anything with symbols.

we have opinions that an attunement 'fine tunes somebody to reiki energy', thats for sure, but what afterwards ? does symbol lose functions to do anytihng after the initiation till that buddy consciously invoke them?

i am not able to substantiate, but i feel everytime we do reiki, we do it with symbols working in some supra-conscious way without our knowledge and intent... and example would be that when one tries to distant treat someone, and does not invoke HSZSN consciously, yet still he does what he intends. can we say he did distant treat without help of HSZSN ? i think that we can only say that he treated distantly while not choosing HSZSN consciously, instead of saying that he distantly treated without HSZSN.

bit off-topic, so i revert to the discussion of this particular thread i am not at all defiant of the role/powers/functions of the symbols, i m, however, doubtful on the claims we make that we can 'supercharge' the symbols through meditation... i feel that sure this enhances the results, but even if we don't ever meditate on symbols, their work is underway our each step taken within reiki...

if functions of symbols were based on our action of choosing to meditate on symbols, then how could we say that 'reiki ability is instantly conferred upon initiation' ?

more on this in comments to Jim for his post :

Jim wrote:
I would have to guess that the primary reason we have symbols is to help focus our minds on something that the mind would have trouble finding initially.

the phrase 'we have symbols' is something i would like to expand upon Jim we have symbols attached/embedded within us during intiation, and we have symbols to 'use' consciously during the techniques as advised by Reiki founders. these two things are different.

it is often said that CKR is for focus. means, as you said, when we invoke CKR consciously, we are enahcning our concentration and focus... this is a conscious use of symbol. given this, if i try to meditate on CKR too much within a session with an intent that more i meditate on CKR, more it will function in a best way to give me a height of concentration, i think this is where i feel we are using the great technique of meditation for doing something, that was already being done through inherent functions of CKR as and when we invoked it. something more in alignment with what you said, thus :

Jim wrote:
No...I do not look for "extra power". The symbol enhances who and what you are. I think it might be more accurate to say "more understanding of self and surroundings through symbol meditation"

The symbols need nothing. It`s not about "their power"

the objective of meditation on symbols must be to get their 'feel' instead of getting them to work more powerfully... symbols transfer much knowledge on supra-conscious levels.. being in a meditative state with symbols has much more to do than just to supercharge their functions which they have already been doing anyway..

i often do CKR meditation, but without visualizing CKR in its spiral and in its shape... i want to keep the experience more subtle than making it highly imaginable and descriptive to myself. i dont' meditate CKR for power or focus, i try to do for the love of it, for the feel of it... the feelings are mostly subtle, and not felt on my conscious plane, but when i end meditation i feel i m filled with joy, love and happiness which obviously i had not intended during meditation. so this i take as evidence that what symbols do on supra-conscious planes, is usually translated as happiness, peace and joy on conscious planes

i find fit to close it with quoting what you have said so beautifully :

Jim wrote:
The symbol is a teacher who`s purpose is to empower us. The power lies within us. The symbol connects us to this, and through meditation we hopefully develope a better, more enlightened sense of who we are, and what we are capable of.

take care



Salman

when I have facilitated Reiki
in a non-Reiki environment,the
mental images of the symbols
are Components that help bring
the healing energy fourth
creating balance & harmony into
the present moment of a Reiki
session.

chi_solas wrote:when I have facilitated Reiki
in a non-Reiki environment,the
mental images of the symbols
are Components that help bring
the healing energy fourth
creating balance & harmony into
the present moment of a Reiki
session.

Hi Bridget,

What do you mean by a non-reiki environment? And what does this have to do with symbol meditation?

Jim

Reikijim wrote:

chi_solas wrote:when I have facilitated Reiki
in a non-Reiki environment,the
mental images of the symbols
are Components that help bring
the healing energy fourth
creating balance & harmony into
the present moment of a Reiki
session.

Hi Bridget,

What do you mean by a non-reiki environment? And what does this have to do with symbol meditation?

Jim

Non-Reiki envirionment such as Hospital
nursing home, accident scene,cooking
gardening,train station other busy places.
I focus on Being Reiki for lack of a better
term using the symbols to meditate when needed.

chi_solas wrote:
"when I have facilitated Reiki
in a non-Reiki environment...

IMO - whatever the environment, the second you begin 'facilitating' Reiki, it instantly becomes a Reiki environment

Hi

Salman wrote:
the phrase 'we have symbols' is something i would like to expand upon Jim Smile we have symbols attached/embedded within us during intiation, and we have symbols to 'use' consciously during the techniques as advised by Reiki founders. these two things are different.

it is often said that CKR is for focus. means, as you said, when we invoke CKR consciously, we are enahcning our concentration and focus... this is a conscious use of symbol. given this, if i try to meditate on CKR too much within a session with an intent that more i meditate on CKR, more it will function in a best way to give me a height of concentration, i think this is where i feel we are using the great technique of meditation for doing something, that was already being done through inherent functions of CKR as and when we invoked it. something more in alignment with what you said, thus

I find that i use symbols less and less during treatment over the years as i think one learns to find their way automatically to what is needed, or possibly it finds it`s way to you. I do not see CKR as any more of a tool of focus than the other symbols, thats just my personal opinion. "The Power Symbol", I think the english slang name is misleading.
So for me it`s like this...Initially, I think of the symbol, once i feel the energy, I invite it with everything that i am to saturate and grow. Grow being the important word, considering that you already have a connection once attuned.

Finding the things that symbols activate, may be like finding a part of yourself. In meditation I know, that you know, that nothing is forced. You ask for an answer in a passive way, let go of the thought and see what comes. Symbol meditation is the same for me...It`s not like commanding something, or casting a spell. It`s recognition of a force that you want to join with. If you are a certain type of vessel you get more, a different type of vessel, gets less, it depends on the condition of the vessel(person). To take it to a deeper level this all may be contained inside ones self, and it may only be a matter of awareness of what really is.

People see symbols as empowerment, and I suppose they are. Possibly some see them as a tool to command. I see them as a vehicle of enlightenment and cooperation. You do not command the energies of a symbol, you cooperate with them, kind of in the same vein as passive meditation, or at least thats how it works for me.

Salman wrote:
the objective of meditation on symbols must be to get their 'feel' instead of getting them to work more powerfully... symbols transfer much knowledge on supra-conscious levels.. being in a meditative state with symbols has much more to do than just to supercharge their functions which they have already been doing anyway..

Yeah it`s about expanding awareness,not more power to treat others, that of course developes on it`s own after the awareness is achieved.
And yes...for me...Once I feel the energies, the shape of the symbol,or mantra, jumon is forgotten, the connection has been made. Passively let things take their course

Salman wrote:
i often do CKR meditation, but without visualizing CKR in its spiral and in its shape... i want to keep the experience more subtle than making it highly imaginable and descriptive to myself. i dont' meditate CKR for power or focus, i try to do for the love of it, for the feel of it... the feelings are mostly subtle, and not felt on my conscious plane, but when i end meditation i feel i m filled with joy, love and happiness which obviously i had not intended during meditation. so this i take as evidence that what symbols do on supra-conscious planes, is usually translated as happiness, peace and joy on conscious planes cheers

Yes! meditation on CKR seems to bring me joy and physical healing.

Meditation on HSZSN brings other things, try it before sleep some night, your dreams will be amazing...

Thanks for this conversation Salman, it has been most enjoyable...

Jim

chi_solas wrote:

Reikijim wrote:

chi_solas wrote:when I have facilitated Reiki
in a non-Reiki environment,the
mental images of the symbols
are Components that help bring
the healing energy fourth
creating balance & harmony into
the present moment of a Reiki
session.

Hi Bridget,

What do you mean by a non-reiki environment? And what does this have to do with symbol meditation?

Jim

Non-Reiki envirionment such as Hospital
nursing home, accident scene,cooking
gardening,train station other busy places.
I focus on Being Reiki for lack of a better
term using the symbols to meditate when needed.

Oh, I see

Thanks bridget!

Jim

Sorry Jim if my quick posting
was unclear. I knew what I
meant but other's can't read
my mind.

for the reminder

Reikijim wrote:

Yes! meditation on CKR seems to bring me joy and physical healing.

Meditation on HSZSN brings other things, try it before sleep some night, your dreams will be amazing...

Thanks for this conversation Salman, it has been most enjoyable...

Jim

interesting! i will try HSZSN meditation before sleep to land into fairy dreamsland

Thank you too Jim very enjoyable conversation indeed!

take care

salman

we have opinions that an attunement 'fine tunes somebody to reiki energy', thats for sure, but what afterwards ? does symbol lose functions to do anytihng after the initiation till that buddy consciously invoke them?

i am not able to substantiate, but i feel everytime we do reiki, we do it with symbols working in some supra-conscious way without our knowledge and intent... and example would be that when one tries to distant treat someone, and does not invoke HSZSN consciously, yet still he does what he intends. can we say he did distant treat without help of HSZSN ? i think that we can only say that he treated distantly while not choosing HSZSN consciously, instead of saying that he distantly treated without HSZSN.


Salman

Hi Salman

I have not read the rest of the thread in this topic...

I don't think you really need a symbol to do distant healing. A shaman can do distant healing and they have done that for a long, long time and they do not use symbols.
When I eksplain distant healing to someone I often compare it with prayer - It's just ekstra active...
But a simpel prayer in it self can be very active - without symbols!
In Reiki you can say that we have a tool that can not fail and that the amount of healing recived is up to the reciver..

Lisel wrote:

we have opinions that an attunement 'fine tunes somebody to reiki energy', thats for sure, but what afterwards ? does symbol lose functions to do anytihng after the initiation till that buddy consciously invoke them?

i am not able to substantiate, but i feel everytime we do reiki, we do it with symbols working in some supra-conscious way without our knowledge and intent... and example would be that when one tries to distant treat someone, and does not invoke HSZSN consciously, yet still he does what he intends. can we say he did distant treat without help of HSZSN ? i think that we can only say that he treated distantly while not choosing HSZSN consciously, instead of saying that he distantly treated without HSZSN.


Salman

Hi Salman

I have not read the rest of the thread in this topic...

I don't think you really need a symbol to do distant healing. A shaman can do distant healing and they have done that for a long, long time and they do not use symbols.
When I eksplain distant healing to someone I often compare it with prayer - It's just ekstra active...
But a simpel prayer in it self can be very active - without symbols!
In Reiki you can say that we have a tool that can not fail and that the amount of healing recived is up to the reciver..

Hi,

Ok...so no symbol for the shaman. Does he rely on ritual then? Or is intention all that is needed?

Jim

Rlei_ki wrote:

chi_solas wrote:
"when I have facilitated Reiki
in a non-Reiki environment...

IMO - whatever the environment, the second you begin 'facilitating' Reiki, it instantly becomes a Reiki environment

Thanks James how could I have
overlooked such a simple fact.
Its like me and my shadow