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    Milarepa
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    I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:17 am

    Some time ago, naturally being influenced by our Reiki peers, without a thought i believed (and applied) that the symbols were only something for beginners to use. And that after a time, i wouldn't need them.

    One of the newer buzz words around then was Kotodama. Jeez, that word itself seemed to bring up something mysterious (in fact, it still does, hehe). In general, it's taught by many that Kotodama in some way replaces symbols. We can command the Reiki experience as if we've drew the symbols and uttered the usual names. Bypassing the standard practice sure did seem to me to be advancing.

    This was further reinforced by the seemingly spontaneous ability to 'switch' between the various symbols expereinces. The fact that i'd already heard others could do this had nothing to do with that of course! Or, the fact that when i was told Reiki entered the crown, i felt it did. and that it came from the Seika Tanden, so i felt it coming from there instead. All so called 'milestones' at important parts of my understanding. Yet also at places where i'd already been told 'this is the way it is'.

    so, i 'progressed' along to Kotodama. Or, at least, what i thought was kotodama. After all, these folks who've got the ear of the originality sources in Japan, know what they're talking about right?

    when i'm taught that symbols are no longer needed in Reiki, cause we've got Kotodama to both command the experience, and to initiate, there's something that's just not sitting right....

    (I wanna make a disclaimer. I've never been to Japan, i havn't travelled outside Europe. I'm also not lucky enough to have been able to have the contact with living or dead students of Usui sensei, as quite a few others seem to have. So maybe i've got things wrong., but..)

    The simplified phonetic version largely taught, is regarded as simplified, possibly, because the perceived effect (spiritual experience), is regarded in a simple. Perception is all in Reiki. Change our perception, we change the experience.

    Kotodama is the application of both the written and verbal form of words, that create a spiritual experience.

    This naturally has lead me now to wonder just what it is that's being passed onto me and should i really accpet tihngs without checking myself. After all, both HSZSN & DKM are collections of words. How could symbols not be in our Kotodama?

    Our Reiki symbols create our Kotodama.

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:14 am

    i've got little internet use atm. grrr

    can i just float the idea among us all, that the actual Reiki Kotodama, is both the written & well known jumon of the four symbols losts have already been taught.

    not the phonetic version, cause there's no need to ever simplify the kotodama to some simple phonetic sounding version. IMO, Kotodama isn't something simplfied itself, but is something more deep, a profound spiruitual experience, that only the current trend of phonetic Kotodama merely scrathces the surface. In that it once again focusess on the most obvious uses...

    There, that's my latest theory, hehe...

    warmest wishes
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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Frank on Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:27 am

    Studying the kotodama/jumon/mantras (putting them into practise) will give you an answer to the theories.
    It is the only way Wink

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:30 am

    same as any idea frank.

    In this forum, discussion is encouraged on all subjects, Wink


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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Pachamama on Mon May 16, 2011 3:47 am

    Hi Wayne,What if you taught a blind man Reiki, he isn't able to 'see' the symbols or 'draw' them for himself, would this mean in your view that he would never be able to offer/apply Reiki appropriately?

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Mon May 16, 2011 3:59 am

    'appropriately' in what way? We only scratch the surface in our Reiki practice. to be honest, very few of us, including me, practice Reiki appropriately, if it's used in context of it's fullest potential.

    Thought, word & deed are what's required in the symbol experience, as in all Reiki. Though a blind man could draw the symbols, he can feel them if they were imprinted on something raised say.

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Pachamama on Mon May 16, 2011 4:26 am

    hmm, yeah I suppose a brail symbol is vey plausable, what if he had no hands, and no feet? okay what I'm trying to say is, what if there was absolutely now way he could physically see or feel the symbols.....what if he could not get a visual interpretation in his mind, but could receive an attunement, do you think he would be unable to offer reiki to another because he could not visualise the symbols?

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Mon May 16, 2011 6:19 am

    Pachamama wrote:... do you think he would be unable to offer reiki to another because he could not visualise the symbols?


    No, Smile. I know people experience Reiki without physically drawing the symbols. As to what depth a person experiences Reiki in this way, can be another matter.



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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Pachamama on Mon May 16, 2011 7:05 am

    we're all learning...and were all on our own journey, I'd like to know if any blind people have received Reiki attunements and training and how they have adapted their visual limtations in regards to the symbols.

    Personally I'd like to think not being able to visualise the symbols would make absolutely no difference what so ever to how effectively they could apply Reiki.


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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Mon May 16, 2011 7:16 am

    Yea, i havn't all the answers, it's great to spitball here though.

    drawing of the symbols is important, in relation to thought, word & deed. This is rife throughout spirituality. We're initiated using certian shapes that carry a spiritual empowerment. So for me, to actively draw these shapes is part of the thought, word & deed process.


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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Pachamama on Mon May 16, 2011 7:42 am

    I appreciate your stand point Wayne, thought word and deed are what make us human. I do have a relationship with the symbols, but it is different from yours. I'm sure we all have very different relationships with the symbols. I've been reading some of the other threads on the subject of symbols....it seems we are all learning and discovering new relationships with the symbols. I've tried alsorts over the years regarding the symbols. I'm not one to be told this is black and this is white and you must accept it. ( very few of us are) I've experimented in alsorts of ways. And now have a very healthy relationship built on my own experiences, to be frank I think too much on emphasis placed on the symbols in regards to applying Reiki is quite limiting. ( I understand this is completely different when it comes to attunements) and I'm about to embark on some Jikiden Reiki training with Tadao, so I'm prepared to put everything I've learned up to this point to one side and start a fresh with a new set of eyes. We shall see what transpires.

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Colin on Mon May 16, 2011 10:49 am

    Pachamama wrote:I'm about to embark on some Jikiden Reiki training with Tadao, so I'm prepared to put everything I've learned up to this point to one side and start a fresh with a new set of eyes. We shall see what transpires.


    That is the approach I would recommend when attending a Jikiden Reiki course, Sharon, especially if you have practiced another style for some time!
    Smile


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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Pachamama on Mon May 16, 2011 10:52 pm

    Colin wrote:
    Pachamama wrote:I'm about to embark on some Jikiden Reiki training with Tadao, so I'm prepared to put everything I've learned up to this point to one side and start a fresh with a new set of eyes. We shall see what transpires.


    That is the approach I would recommend when attending a Jikiden Reiki course, Sharon, especially if you have practiced another style for some time!
    Smile


    yeah, thanks Colin. I'm going in open minded with the mind of a child, it's very difficult to learn new things when we hold on to a particular set of ideas.

    Theres a lovely quote that goes something like, 'In the mind of an expert there is little room for new possibilities, in the mind of a beginner the possibilities are endless.' flower

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Pachamama on Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:49 am

    just reading over this thread.as open minded as I might like to think I am, I still struggled with the new concepts... and to be honest I'm becoming more and more confused about 'symbols'

    I've asked this elswehere, but seeing how there are so many variations of symbols out there and people seemed to be attuned in alsorts of different ways....YET!!!! The multi dimensional spirit of Reik still comes to fruition in all learners....so what is going on???

    Having been taught a particular way with my first teacher, I thought this must be how attunements are carried out for everyone...NOT THE CASE!!! yet still the Spirit of Reiki becomes manifest... how can so many different ways of attuning people and so many different symbols or different versions of the same symbol, all work? and how can so many different ways of using certain symbols still work?

    You've studied in a few different styles of Reiki Colin, whats your personal take on so many variations, both in visual appearance, how they are applied and the different ways they are applied via attunement?

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    Re: I don't need the symbols, i got Kotodama..

    Post by Milarepa on Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:29 am

    Are all experiences Reiki? Are all 'reiki experiences' the same depth or quality? Do all Reiki experiences make us feel the same? If not, in what way are they different?


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