Milarepa wrote:
So maybe we can both see now that all of us don't know everything, that we can all bring something to the table, and that there's more growth through the sharing with friends and being open to see if there's anything in what they say.

and if i bring my two cents up the table, i have to say that you two guys seem so sweet with horns locked like this....

the notion of 'i know' is not at all bad, and not necessarily it is all about ego all the time, rather it is the token of our individualistic presence amid the universal float of collective consciousness... so when i say 'i know' i m reaffirming my presence as a tiny drop in this unfathomable ocean of knowledge... negligible, when compared to the ocean itself, but quite the opposite, a basic ingredient of the ocean itself, when the composition is anaylyzed on the anatomy table

that symbols 'cannot' be placed in the auric or energy centers, and that symbols 'do' stand there... is all the figment of our material thinking, which we, unfortunately, have to resort to all the time as long as we intend to stay in the present realm called 'homo sapiens'


when we talk about symbols and about reiki, can't we borrow a mind that could help us to see the picture from sitting outside it... ? no, we cannot! since, the moment we defy the boundaries of our picture, that composes our presence, we defy many other things.... and only then, we might aptly say that symbols are neither placed within our auric shell, and nor they are placed otherwise, since they do something quite beyond the relative phenomenomenal meaningfulness of our material thinking....


a sidenote Wayne, beliving "too much" that symbols are placed within us, might lead us to take one picture all the time that yes they are placed us 'inside' us... (it is a fallacy we read into as some 'suggestive syndrome') why not let yourself feel free from the feeling, or any feeling about their 'presence', and just take them without physical annexure... i would do this, if it were upto me, at least

(over to you guys again, as i was greatly enjoying your chat )

take care

salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:

a sidenote Wayne, beliving "too much" that symbols are placed within us, might lead us to take one picture all the time that yes they are placed us 'inside' us... (it is a fallacy we read into as some 'suggestive syndrome') why not let yourself feel free from the feeling, or any feeling about their 'presence', and just take them without physical annexure... i would do this, if it were upto me, at least

You're talking specifically to me, so my comment is about me, not what anyone else should do.

I know what you're saying. I've said it on here often about the route Reiki takes, and how it's changed three times in total for me. This is suggestive syndrome, it's why i've kept mentioning the route for months. although, everything can't be put down to suggestive syndrome. If it was, even suggestive syndrome would be suggestive, invalidating itself, lmao! I tirelessly also keep saying that perception is all in Reiki. That perception dictates the Reiki experience to a large extent. I know full well about the effects of being suggestive, .

This is why it's vitally important for a person to see a very differnet view to the one they hold. If they go investigate, they'll either be looking at the info to discredit it, or look at it neutral, with an open mind. Less chance of being suggestive, but they gotta go down the path themselves, come to their own conclusions. It's a big reason (imo) why the folks who've discovered so much don't be so open, such as on forums, cause most invalidate the info without even checking.

I came from a position of not believing they were inside me, to a place of knowing a slight bit more about them. Just a slight bit now, . I'm not gonna disregard literal years of personal study on this one subject to go back to the way things were, i havn't finished what i'm doing yet . If i'm to discover as much as possible, i gotta look at everything. Unless there's a heck of a good reason! No offence,

points well taken offense none taken !

it is particularly true, and is well observed, that the more people keep on discovering, the more they find it a 'waste of time' to share what they've found...let the reasons be justified by them, but i dont find this with you ever...

you used the word 'tirelessly' somewhere, and i second that you have no doubt done your part quite tirelessly...

i literally enjoyed the trail you built on 'suggestive syndrome' yes, all is not suggestive!

Wayne i didnt mean to disregard or disrespect the things you've found after puttin in tons of hours of study, experience and dedication... i was just tyring to be inlcuded in the process of thought


i know i dont spare as much time, dedication, and attention to research as it is warranted sometime, and i do admit i have a wagging tounge sometimes, but at least one thing i guarantee, that when i say onboard something, i m most definitely feeling that first on all my levels of personal perception, how limited that maybe !


and, do you agree that sometimes our words that we speak out publicly, are just meant by us for ourselves exclusively, and mostly as a means of reaffirmation of what we are bit shaky about


no offense bro, you dont take either !


take care

salman

I know you'd never disrespect anyone salman. whether you disregard anything is you're right, .

re: reaffirmation of shaky things. i've found when i do get into serious debate with another, i've had to go check out what they say as well as what i say, granted the research is only pretty short, sometimes maybe hours, but it'll either reafirm what i knew, or else not. So i'd adjust my stance on that. Every single time i post something un-popular, i'm testing my own view. Cause i know folks won't agree, so when they tell me alternate points i go research that. If i've already been down that road, i might give it another cursory check (unless i'm told a specific new point), if it's a totally new road i'll go check for longer, and i usually revisit all my topics for weeks, and some for months. Heavy debates on here i still revist from way back last year, re-read all the posts, go check the info as much as i can, see if i'm missing any of the others points. It's the only way i can truely learn, and that's being true to myself.

Salman, it's always good to have your love, freindship, and warmth in topics, . you've never a need to explain why you get involved, you're too valuable here to need to do that!

Wayne wrote:I know you'd never disrespect anyone salman. whether you disregard anything is you're right, .

thanks for the confidence Wayne

Wayne wrote:

re: reaffirmation of shaky things. i've found when i do get into serious debate with another, i've had to go check out what they say as well as what i say, granted the research is only pretty short, sometimes maybe hours, but it'll either reafirm what i knew, or else not. So i'd adjust my stance on that.

thats works out for sure ! although, i have a problem, rather short-coming... whenever i come across people saying something, i sometimes try to comment off-hand, which is not suitable... but this is more due to my compassion, rather than due to any act of show off... but i have started coming over this aspect of my nature a lil bit 'think before you speak' sorta thing !

Wayne wrote:

Every single time i post something un-popular, i'm testing my own view.

while learning rests in learning what people have said, it also goes miles long in learning how we take up what people have said...

you've been disucssing the 'long-established' concepts (and myths) of reiki since the reiki-4-all times, and i have seen how daringly you have had good chats with elders out there... sure, this adds to our learning!

further, unless we exhibit what we feel, how would we know that we were wrong !

Wayne wrote:
.......and i usually revisit all my topics for weeks, and some for months. Heavy debates on here i still revist from way back last year, re-read all the posts, go check the info as much as i can, see if i'm missing any of the others points. It's the only way i can truely learn, and that's being true to myself.

thats what many people might miss... infact i had been too untill quite recently indeed... when we post things in a discussion we are not posting our views but sometiems 'reacting' to other people's views too, whether we know or not that we've been 'reacting'... when, after a time, the dust is down, we clearly come to know what were the real domains of the things we were arguing upon...

learning, of course, is not completed unless we give a honest revision to what we have heard from people onboard

Wayne wrote:
Salman, it's always good to have your love, freindship, and warmth in topics, .

thanks, real thanks Wayne, these words are like a certificate from my worthy teacher !


take care

salman

well boys, I think we are all in agreement that diversity on view points is what makes a discussion fourm an interesting place of discovery and learning.

I for one very very rarely put my brain into gear before opening my mouth....some may see that as an unfavourable quality... I see it as an honest one , not always the best course of action granted, but often an honest instant reaction... the beauty of message boards is they do give you the time to think and to formulate a decent answer or response, but again, I just see something and open my big fat mouth just like I do in real life!! ahahahahah....

all is grand

thanks for pointing this thread out to me Wayne! Very interesting stuff here...

Shakti ~ Rising wrote:well boys, I think we are all in agreement that diversity on view points is what makes a discussion fourm an interesting place of discovery and learning.

I for one very very rarely put my brain into gear before opening my mouth....some may see that as an unfavourable quality... I see it as an honest one , not always the best course of action granted, but often an honest instant reaction... the beauty of message boards is they do give you the time to think and to formulate a decent answer or response, but again, I just see something and open my big fat mouth just like I do in real life!! ahahahahah....

all is grand

Shakti, being aware that a quick
response may sometimes not be best
while it is honest. I have found
myself at times wanting to take it
back and re-phrase it.

On forums time is a big constraint
reading and responding quickly is
part of what happens in our busy
lives.We don't always have the time
to analize and think about should I
respond this way or that way.

Your postings have always given me
food for thought